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Hmmmm...
Well the proof is obviously in the testing, but...

On the one hand the Foxbat probably has a better survivability due to the spaced out engines, which probably also improves the yaw rate. And the bigger nacelles implies greater speed.

On the other hand, the Lancer has better visibility and is more likely to survive an unpowered atmospheric landing (but its more likely to have both its engines knocked out in the first place) and seems to have greater fuselage space for consumables.

I think the visibility sways it for me. I'm going with the Lancer
 

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TLE Klingon battle cruiser

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The Klingon's answer to the Ambassador class

Never was mass produced only the prototype was ever built due to cost overruns and resources shortages given the Praxis' decimation . The prototype was used as the flag ship of the
Klingon Imperial Fleet for most of the TLE
and bore the Starfleet reporting name
"Kronos One"
 
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Very nice works Hellkite. Instantly recognizable yet distinctive enough to set them apart from their counterparts
 

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Huh, if you tilt your head 90 degrees, the Son'a one kind of looks like a fish. Anyway, I like them all. Now if only someone could model them as fast as you can draw them.
 

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Very nice works Hellkite. Instantly recognizable yet distinctive enough to set them apart from their counterparts

Thanks Rifraf glad you like them


.....Anyway, I like them all. Now if only someone could model them as fast as you can draw them.

Yep that would be remarkable to say the lest :)
 
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That Son'a fast frigate, which is odd considering as a rule I don't like the Son'a (and finding the ship design interesting is different to like). But I like that frigate, kinda reminds me of a sketch I did once of an SR71 replacement.
 

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Roger that Kjc I'm just happy you like it:D
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No prizes for guessing the influences behind that one :lol2:
I'll confess as a design I always did prefer the 23, although I do appreciate why it didn't win.
 

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Very cool Hellkite. Reminds me of the YF-23 demonstrator. Loved that design, but the F-22 ultimately won out.
 

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Yep. I took the key lines from the Black Widow II Yf-23 and made a Starfighter inspired from it

I was always a fan of the F-23 and as much as I like the Raptor they really made a mistake when they did not pick the f-23 over the f-22

"note that the YF-23A outperformed the YF-22A in all arenas with the exception of maneuverability but the YF-23A did exceed the requirement for combat maneuverability). Additionally, the YF-23 was found to have a larger weapons capacity, lighter wing loading, and a planform that was more readily adaptable to the proposed deep-stike/interdiction mission. "

My source is Lockheed Martin F/A-22 Raptor written by Jay Miller of Aerofax

""Official reason ""​
While the YF-23 was faster and stealthier (Lockheed even admitted to that) the USAF opted for the more maneuverable YF-22.
The reasoning behind this was that although the ATF was intended to be a BVR killer, they didn't want to be caught with their pants down like they were with the F-4 without a gun, just in case the ATF wound up in a dogfight. Hence, vectored thrust won out against a more stealthy and faster design.

''Unofficial reason "​
Back door politics


* Worth noting This is coming from a pilot that flew the f-22 for two and a half years
 

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Cool fighter mate, different from other Trek fighters I have seen around the web. :D
 

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thanks Maj I glad you liked it my friend :)
 

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"note that the YF-23A outperformed the YF-22A in all arenas with the exception of maneuverability but the YF-23A did exceed the requirement for combat maneuverability). Additionally, the YF-23 was found to have a larger weapons capacity, lighter wing loading, and a planform that was more readily adaptable to the proposed deep-stike/interdiction mission. "

As a technical aside, my understanding is that whilst the -23 could have had a larger weapons capacity (externally), its internal bay design was of a vertical rack design, meaning that weapons would be stacked in sequence. This has obvious limitations, for example if one weapon release jams then you're stuck with a bay you can't use, and it makes it more difficult to enable larger weapon types like JDAM.

Other than this, I found it a far more elegant and revolutionary design as it breaks the mold of having a single fuselage to fit everything in.
 

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Hello:
Well, DeviantArt has been a very useless page lately for me since it will not load (that is the only page that doesn't) and I am not banned or anything so no clue what is happening. So I guess it may force me to comment here more often (sounds suspicious, lol).

You know that I like the Black Widow V a lot. I think that since it is not a fighter with a big height, I think that should help it keeping it a low-profile and with it's survival.

Keep it up!
 

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As a technical aside, my understanding is that whilst the -23 could have had a larger weapons capacity (externally), its internal bay design was of a vertical rack design, meaning that weapons would be stacked in sequence. This has obvious limitations, for example if one weapon release jams then you're stuck with a bay you can't use, and it makes it more difficult to enable larger weapon types like JDAM.

Other than this, I found it a far more elegant and revolutionary design as it breaks the mold of having a single fuselage to fit everything in.

To all things man made there is the chance of a brake down and I can tell you that the ordnance drums in the F 22 are not fool proof they can jam and are not used in the main weapons bay as seen here
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Hello:
Well, DeviantArt has been a very useless page lately for me since it will not load (that is the only page that doesn't) and I am not banned or anything so no clue what is happening. So I guess it may force me to comment here more often (sounds suspicious, lol).

You know that I like the Black Widow V a lot. I think that since it is not a fighter with a big height, I think that should help it keeping it a low-profile and with it's survival.

Keep it up!

Sorry to hear that Chiletrek I hope that they get that sorted out fast

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Henlein class

Named fpr Peter Henlein, the inventor of the watch
Like the Oberth-class she has a split hull design with the Lower hull mostly composed massive a single warp nacelle as see here in this silhouette

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A sweet looking ship you have there mate, I like it nice and small like a replacement to to Oberth and a supplement to the Nova.
 

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Thanks Maj I happy that you like her

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Thanks Cabal
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Non human fighter
 

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Awesome designs mate, that last one is pretty unique. Any idea what race or series it belongs to?
 

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thanks Maj

But nope. It dose not belong to any series my friend
 

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I'm reminded of the armor of some of the Elites in Halo.
 

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don't know

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Now back to my endeavor to give Starfleet a fighter worth it salt

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