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So...DSC Season 2 is now over...
My thoughts:
My thoughts:
Tellarites:
My favorite thing about DSC so far is what they've done with the Tellarites. Gorch (who appeared in season 1) wasn't a great example of the new look, but Tevrin Krit and the S31 admiral both made me fall in love with the new look. The vocal processing made sense for the Tellarites, and I like it. Before, the Tellarites were like pig men in space, mostly a joke. Enterprise made them worse. This new look is more like a warthog. These are guys you don't wanna make mad.
Nahn:
I liked that the creators brought in a canon Star Trek species that wouldn't be controversial to bring in. The Barzans were a one-off species that I'm glad may be expanded upon further. I also like that Nahn is being portrayed as her own character first, rather than a representation of her entire race the way Saru, Dax, and Worf were. I'm sure we'll see some of this develop during DSC's season 3, but hopefully it will simply add some flavor to her character rather than be the entire dish.
Linus: I was surprised this guy was a Saurian. I like the idea of bringing a background species forward, but I'm not entirely certain I like what they did with this.
The Kelpiens:
There were two things I wanted to happen here that haven't happened. I wanted the Ba'ul to somehow be related to Armus, since the visuals are so similar. I guess this could somehow still happen, but I'm not sure how. Secondly, I wanted the Ba'ul to be right, for the Kelpiens to turn into a major threat due to their 'evolution'. Both could theoretically still happen, but the finale doesn't give me much hope for the latter situation.
Airiam:
Thank god she wasn't an android! The explanation given for her augmentations made sense (though I wish they'd made her an alien like a Troyian or Zelonite, etc). The other explanation I'd love to see at some point in Trek is someone who has had unnecessary cybernetic augmentation and becomes addicted/dependent on it the way some people are to plastic surgery in today's society.
Control:
Frell. No. Control was somewhere between a nod and a shoehorn for a concept created for the novel Section 31: Control. IMO it was poorly executed. I was afraid they were gonna use Control as part of a Borg origin story, but the fact that Control was destroyed in the season finale was more disappointing.
The Sphere:
The idea of the sphere was an interesting one. I like the idea that the sphere data has become its own consciousness, which might lead to the intelligence seen on Discovery in Short Treks. I kinda like the idea of having the sphere related to the life form in the TNG episode Emergence, though I'm still not sure how I would make that work.
Finale:
The finale was good and bad and weird for a ton of reasons.
DOT-7: These were little R2-D2 like droids deployed on the 1701's hull to repair damage? I think? You can find an image on Memory Alpha. It's an interesting concept, but the visuals and the fact this small scene wasn't necessary was frustrating.
Fighters: I like the idea of fighters in Trek, and we haven't seen them in the TOS era yet. I like the idea. I did not like its execution. It looks more like a giant sex toy than a fighter.
Colt: Yep, believe it or not, Yeoman Colt was on the Enterprise bridge in the last two episodes. But wait, not this Colt: https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/J.M._Colt, that Colt: https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Colt_(Yeoman). Yeah. I hated this at first, but now I'm wondering if something's happened in the previous two years that transformed a previously beautiful young woman into a demon lady. It's a fascinating idea, but the lack of an explanation is frustrating.
Time Jump: A lot of you guys wanted this. I did not. I wanted to explore the TOS era a bit more. I wanted to see the impact of the Klingon War on the Federation and its exploration efforts. Now we've jumped to the future. Based on the Short Treks episode, I'm afraid we're gonna see Discovery trying to become Andromeda.
Like it Never Happened: One of the options to rectify the supposed canon inconsistencies was to make Discovery and everything related to it classified. Sadly this is what happened. I guess it could work on a long-term scale, where stories about Discovery and its spore drive become conspiracy theories that no one believes. In the short term, this might prove difficult.
My favorite thing about DSC so far is what they've done with the Tellarites. Gorch (who appeared in season 1) wasn't a great example of the new look, but Tevrin Krit and the S31 admiral both made me fall in love with the new look. The vocal processing made sense for the Tellarites, and I like it. Before, the Tellarites were like pig men in space, mostly a joke. Enterprise made them worse. This new look is more like a warthog. These are guys you don't wanna make mad.
Nahn:
I liked that the creators brought in a canon Star Trek species that wouldn't be controversial to bring in. The Barzans were a one-off species that I'm glad may be expanded upon further. I also like that Nahn is being portrayed as her own character first, rather than a representation of her entire race the way Saru, Dax, and Worf were. I'm sure we'll see some of this develop during DSC's season 3, but hopefully it will simply add some flavor to her character rather than be the entire dish.
Linus: I was surprised this guy was a Saurian. I like the idea of bringing a background species forward, but I'm not entirely certain I like what they did with this.
The Kelpiens:
There were two things I wanted to happen here that haven't happened. I wanted the Ba'ul to somehow be related to Armus, since the visuals are so similar. I guess this could somehow still happen, but I'm not sure how. Secondly, I wanted the Ba'ul to be right, for the Kelpiens to turn into a major threat due to their 'evolution'. Both could theoretically still happen, but the finale doesn't give me much hope for the latter situation.
Airiam:
Thank god she wasn't an android! The explanation given for her augmentations made sense (though I wish they'd made her an alien like a Troyian or Zelonite, etc). The other explanation I'd love to see at some point in Trek is someone who has had unnecessary cybernetic augmentation and becomes addicted/dependent on it the way some people are to plastic surgery in today's society.
Control:
Frell. No. Control was somewhere between a nod and a shoehorn for a concept created for the novel Section 31: Control. IMO it was poorly executed. I was afraid they were gonna use Control as part of a Borg origin story, but the fact that Control was destroyed in the season finale was more disappointing.
The Sphere:
The idea of the sphere was an interesting one. I like the idea that the sphere data has become its own consciousness, which might lead to the intelligence seen on Discovery in Short Treks. I kinda like the idea of having the sphere related to the life form in the TNG episode Emergence, though I'm still not sure how I would make that work.
Finale:
The finale was good and bad and weird for a ton of reasons.
DOT-7: These were little R2-D2 like droids deployed on the 1701's hull to repair damage? I think? You can find an image on Memory Alpha. It's an interesting concept, but the visuals and the fact this small scene wasn't necessary was frustrating.
Fighters: I like the idea of fighters in Trek, and we haven't seen them in the TOS era yet. I like the idea. I did not like its execution. It looks more like a giant sex toy than a fighter.
Colt: Yep, believe it or not, Yeoman Colt was on the Enterprise bridge in the last two episodes. But wait, not this Colt: https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/J.M._Colt, that Colt: https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Colt_(Yeoman). Yeah. I hated this at first, but now I'm wondering if something's happened in the previous two years that transformed a previously beautiful young woman into a demon lady. It's a fascinating idea, but the lack of an explanation is frustrating.
Time Jump: A lot of you guys wanted this. I did not. I wanted to explore the TOS era a bit more. I wanted to see the impact of the Klingon War on the Federation and its exploration efforts. Now we've jumped to the future. Based on the Short Treks episode, I'm afraid we're gonna see Discovery trying to become Andromeda.
Like it Never Happened: One of the options to rectify the supposed canon inconsistencies was to make Discovery and everything related to it classified. Sadly this is what happened. I guess it could work on a long-term scale, where stories about Discovery and its spore drive become conspiracy theories that no one believes. In the short term, this might prove difficult.
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Hello:
Yeah, I have seen the concept like the DOT-7 since "Andromeda". And I did like the finale, also glad to see people referring to the series without any hate.
Aso, did you say "Frell"? I haven't seen that one in years
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Yeah, I have seen the concept like the DOT-7 since "Andromeda". And I did like the finale, also glad to see people referring to the series without any hate.
Aso, did you say "Frell"? I haven't seen that one in years
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Hello:
Yeah, I have seen the concept like the DOT-7 since "Andromeda". And I did like the finale, also glad to see people referring to the series without any hate.
Aso, did you say "Frell"? I haven't seen that one in years
Not intentionally. Looks like it was edited or auto-corrected
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I think it should be kept as "Frell"
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I wish Control hadn't been turned into the stereotypical Super AI that wants to destroy everything. I wish it had been a situation where Control, in the future, destroyed Earth, Andoria, and the other planets because they were infested by something (not Humans and Andorians) that were a great threat to the Federation (I was thinking the Borg, but maybe something else, something people can't be rescued from)
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Same as the rest of Season 2 of Short Treks: Not worth it. Don't bother.
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I liked Children of Mars. Though I feel it would of been better suited to a longer episode.
In the 15 (or so) minuets of this Short Trek we're supposed to get an emotional tie in to these characters and the events of the attack on Mars.
The issue is we don't get a lot of time to do it. We just really see the Human child, credited as Lil, being a little cowbag to the little girl credited as Kima. But we are lead to feel this is simply because both are the daughters of engineers at Utopia Planetia. (Which looks more like a Droidworks factory on Geonosis frankly).
Kima who has a fine Mother-Daughter dynamic and is obviously happy. Lil who is clearly angry, and probably hurt that her dad won't be coming home soon like he said he would. So she's doing what you'd expect from a kid her age, she acts out. Unfortunately she targets Kima but still.
Somehow we're meant to then form a connection to them both over the course of the short. From them fighting and kicking holes in each other. To then be punished by the Vulcan headmaster.
This is where it goes a bit weird.
Blue Alert audio plays and, for whatever reason, the students are exposed to the news broadcast that Mars where most of their families work, is somehow being nuked to high-hell because Starfleet clearly never learned any valuable lessons following the Battle of Sector 001, Breen Attack on San Francisco etc...
BUILD. SOME. WORTHWHILE. DEFENCES.
You'd think that their main fleet yards would have more defences than it apparently did.
In short though, the episode falls flat with making us feel sorry for the girls because we aren't given time to really connect to the characters. To offset this, they play "Heroes" by David Bowie to try and provoke an emotional connection. Which again falls flat because the song is pretty useless because there are no heroes here. Just a bunch of children being made to watch Mars burn and their families get massacred.
Tl;dr - 2380-2399 sucked so bad for Federation citizens since apparently the galaxy is now mega-dark and mega-sad.
In the 15 (or so) minuets of this Short Trek we're supposed to get an emotional tie in to these characters and the events of the attack on Mars.
The issue is we don't get a lot of time to do it. We just really see the Human child, credited as Lil, being a little cowbag to the little girl credited as Kima. But we are lead to feel this is simply because both are the daughters of engineers at Utopia Planetia. (Which looks more like a Droidworks factory on Geonosis frankly).
Kima who has a fine Mother-Daughter dynamic and is obviously happy. Lil who is clearly angry, and probably hurt that her dad won't be coming home soon like he said he would. So she's doing what you'd expect from a kid her age, she acts out. Unfortunately she targets Kima but still.
Somehow we're meant to then form a connection to them both over the course of the short. From them fighting and kicking holes in each other. To then be punished by the Vulcan headmaster.
This is where it goes a bit weird.
Blue Alert audio plays and, for whatever reason, the students are exposed to the news broadcast that Mars where most of their families work, is somehow being nuked to high-hell because Starfleet clearly never learned any valuable lessons following the Battle of Sector 001, Breen Attack on San Francisco etc...
BUILD. SOME. WORTHWHILE. DEFENCES.
You'd think that their main fleet yards would have more defences than it apparently did.
In short though, the episode falls flat with making us feel sorry for the girls because we aren't given time to really connect to the characters. To offset this, they play "Heroes" by David Bowie to try and provoke an emotional connection. Which again falls flat because the song is pretty useless because there are no heroes here. Just a bunch of children being made to watch Mars burn and their families get massacred.
Tl;dr - 2380-2399 sucked so bad for Federation citizens since apparently the galaxy is now mega-dark and mega-sad.
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Hello:
Time ago, the Starship Schematics webpage added a section for Discovery's ships, they've updated it. If anybody is interested, here are the ships' diagrams -> http://www.shipschematics.net/startrek/federation_data.php?filter=DISCO
Time ago, the Starship Schematics webpage added a section for Discovery's ships, they've updated it. If anybody is interested, here are the ships' diagrams -> http://www.shipschematics.net/startrek/federation_data.php?filter=DISCO
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Thank you very much. these are awesome.
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Maybe I've already mentioned it, but did I mention that everything on Discovery looks too darn shiny? There are far too many reflective surfaces on the Discovery's bridge, the floor of the transporter, etc, and all the lights reflected off of those surfaces just make every bridge scene look chaotic. Combining the dark uniforms against a dark background was bad enough, but combining that with the jarring light reflections makes it far too easy to lose characters in the background noise. At least install some carpet on the bridge or something!
Also, I still hate the Disco shoes. Best example of why I hate them is the scene where Cornwall sacrifices herself. The shiny shoes just detracted from the moment.
Also, I still hate the Disco shoes. Best example of why I hate them is the scene where Cornwall sacrifices herself. The shiny shoes just detracted from the moment.
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If anyone here wanted to check out Discovery but didn't wanna pay the pay wall toll, CBS will be airing Disco Season 1 on CBS proper this fall: https://variety.com/2020/tv/news/st...time-cbs-this-fall-premiere-dates-1234749639/
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So here are my thoughts on Season 3 as of Episode 2 so far:
I'm...really not sure what to think of the premise. I don't like the idea that the Federation suddenly went "poof" but we all knew that was coming. That being said, the few hints at ship designs seen in the debris look interesting so far.
I'm not sure about Book's whole "in touch with nature" thing. It's not a bad idea, but I do hope there's more of an explanation beyond what's been given (or not) so far.
The drugged-up Burnam scene was funny, and I think that's what made the first episode a little more watchable.
On the plus side, they're no longer pitching the Andorian voices low electronically. I kinda hope they keep the vocal stuff for the Tellarites, though.
I'm not sure about Book's whole "in touch with nature" thing. It's not a bad idea, but I do hope there's more of an explanation beyond what's been given (or not) so far.
The drugged-up Burnam scene was funny, and I think that's what made the first episode a little more watchable.
On the plus side, they're no longer pitching the Andorian voices low electronically. I kinda hope they keep the vocal stuff for the Tellarites, though.
Regarding the post-crash scene...I thought these were trained Starfleet officers, not a bunch of academy cadets. I mean really, do we not know how to handle a crisis? This was really where the writing of the episode fell short, IMO. Too sappy, not realistic.
A little of the same thing regarding how Tilly is handling the situation. She was shown to have a little more backbone in the first season, but this episode seems to regress her to the point of being a twelve-year-old. I'm hoping this is the season where she really grows up, because she's getting really annoying.
I'm glad to see a little more of Nahn's character developing. I like the back-and-forth between Reno and Stamets. I'm also liking Culver a little more now that the writing is getting better for his character.
I'm curious about what's going on with Ditmer. I thought that maybe Control had found a way to survive, and since there was a rather abrupt change between Nahn being knocked out (I think) during the fight with Control and her just appearing on the bridge that maybe she'd been infected...but now I'm wondering about Ditmer...
I'm also curious about whether Reno saw more in the time crystal than what Burnham saw. I think it's a great story possibility but I'm not sure if it'll be expanded upon.
I'm very happy the Coridans were included in this episode, with their Enterprise makeup mostly untouched. Their details weren't seen all that well in Enterprise and I'm glad they've got a faithful recreation of the species now.
A little of the same thing regarding how Tilly is handling the situation. She was shown to have a little more backbone in the first season, but this episode seems to regress her to the point of being a twelve-year-old. I'm hoping this is the season where she really grows up, because she's getting really annoying.
I'm glad to see a little more of Nahn's character developing. I like the back-and-forth between Reno and Stamets. I'm also liking Culver a little more now that the writing is getting better for his character.
I'm curious about what's going on with Ditmer. I thought that maybe Control had found a way to survive, and since there was a rather abrupt change between Nahn being knocked out (I think) during the fight with Control and her just appearing on the bridge that maybe she'd been infected...but now I'm wondering about Ditmer...
I'm also curious about whether Reno saw more in the time crystal than what Burnham saw. I think it's a great story possibility but I'm not sure if it'll be expanded upon.
I'm very happy the Coridans were included in this episode, with their Enterprise makeup mostly untouched. Their details weren't seen all that well in Enterprise and I'm glad they've got a faithful recreation of the species now.
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Hellkite, I would have to agree with you . That is what i suspected was going to happen.
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No spoilers here but I am enjoying it so far, as I always have I haven't treated it as a Trek series but just a general sci-fi series which has allowed me to enjoy it. Funny I prefer it over Picard.
I agree Hellkite, many similarities. Hopefully it finds it's own footing.
I agree Hellkite, many similarities. Hopefully it finds it's own footing.
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Watched Series 1. Didn't like the first half. Enjoyed the Mirror Universe bit.
Didn't watch Series 2. Seen a few Youtube clips, seems to be an improvement.
Watched Series 3 so far, and enjoyed these first 2 episodes, so may well give it more of a fair try. Not getting my hopes up, though. This Kurtzman era of Star Trek is not one I'm accepting yet.
Didn't watch Series 2. Seen a few Youtube clips, seems to be an improvement.
Watched Series 3 so far, and enjoyed these first 2 episodes, so may well give it more of a fair try. Not getting my hopes up, though. This Kurtzman era of Star Trek is not one I'm accepting yet.
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4 more years? More like 8. Seems the Kurtzman camp will be calling the shots for the foreseeable future:
https://trekmovie.com/2020/10/09/al...hrough-2027-including-more-discovery-seasons/
https://trekmovie.com/2020/10/09/al...hrough-2027-including-more-discovery-seasons/
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So...not their best episode of the season yet. The underlying idea behind the episode was nice but the fact that Earth and Titan hadn't communicated for a long time within a system that didn't require warp travel to reach each other seems...implausible. I could see it with Earth and some place like Deneva but not Titan. I'm rather relieved we didn't have Trek Cylons though.
As far as Ezri 2.0...I'm really not sure what to think of her so far.
Minor continuity error: Discovery was serving synthehol in the mess halls shortly after arriving in the future...but Scotty, who lived and drank at least several decades after Discovery left the past, didn't know what synthehol was when he arrived in the 24th century...
I'm still interested in what's going on with Detmer. She still seems out of it but not as badly as episode 2. There's a theory floating around that she's dealing with PTSD from whenever she lost her eye. I'm still convinced something is wrong with her implant.
I'm not sure what I think about making Saru captain, though again I'm not sure who else would have fit the role that's currently on Discovery. I'm glad they didn't have Burnham be the captain, but I'm not convinced about installing her as XO.
Speaking of Burnham, she seems a lot less uptight than in the first two seasons so far. She seems a lot more likeable, and I don't think it's just her look. I always said Discovery would be a better series if they'd just killed off Burnham and kept the rest of the crew and I'm hoping enough other people said the same things and the writers finally heard us.
One small detail about The Burn that I'm not sure was in the previous two episodes was that it was preceded by the Federation's dilithium supply drying up. It'll be interesting to see how that plays out.
We also get our first look at a fleet of Starfleet ships from this timeframe...maybe. Some of them looked like reused models of the S31 ships from Season 2 but some looked unique. I'm watching from a different site so resolution is limited. I like some of the things I've seen amongst the wreckage but I'd love to see more complete designs.
As far as Ezri 2.0...I'm really not sure what to think of her so far.
Minor continuity error: Discovery was serving synthehol in the mess halls shortly after arriving in the future...but Scotty, who lived and drank at least several decades after Discovery left the past, didn't know what synthehol was when he arrived in the 24th century...
I'm still interested in what's going on with Detmer. She still seems out of it but not as badly as episode 2. There's a theory floating around that she's dealing with PTSD from whenever she lost her eye. I'm still convinced something is wrong with her implant.
I'm not sure what I think about making Saru captain, though again I'm not sure who else would have fit the role that's currently on Discovery. I'm glad they didn't have Burnham be the captain, but I'm not convinced about installing her as XO.
Speaking of Burnham, she seems a lot less uptight than in the first two seasons so far. She seems a lot more likeable, and I don't think it's just her look. I always said Discovery would be a better series if they'd just killed off Burnham and kept the rest of the crew and I'm hoping enough other people said the same things and the writers finally heard us.
One small detail about The Burn that I'm not sure was in the previous two episodes was that it was preceded by the Federation's dilithium supply drying up. It'll be interesting to see how that plays out.
We also get our first look at a fleet of Starfleet ships from this timeframe...maybe. Some of them looked like reused models of the S31 ships from Season 2 but some looked unique. I'm watching from a different site so resolution is limited. I like some of the things I've seen amongst the wreckage but I'd love to see more complete designs.
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So apparently the bird guy is supposed to be a Betelgeusian. I'm actually pretty happy with this change, except for the neck stuff. Yet another reason I'm glad someone on board Disco's S3 team understands the appeal of bringing in obscure species from Trek's past to revisit them.
The DOT'3's are back.
So I can't tell if they're making Owo have feelings for Detmer or if she was just trying to figure out if Detmer was ok.
Again, Michael is a lot more likeable now. She no longer makes my teeth itch.
There's a claim that no known human-trill connection was known in the past. I'm guessing Riker's turn as Odan was either retconned or was lost to time.
The first appearance of what will likely become Zora happens in this episode. This and the fact that "V'Draysh" was name-dropped I think in Episode 2 makes the Short Trek's episode chronology even more confusing.
Apparently isoboramine is something that any joined pair of humanoid and trill symbiont has, not just Trills. I'm not sure I like the idea of Adira dematerializing or whatever in the symbiont pool. Her history of how she got her symbiont is a bit...cliche. So is Adira seeing Gray as an hallucination later on. I'm not sure about the religious angle the Trill have taken, but I guess it's understandable given all that's happened. I'm not sure, but I think we also got a look at a different (earlier) Starfleet uniform. I think the badge worn by the previous host on the far left looked similar to the 32st century Starfleet badge but I can't quite tell. I'm also not quite sure how I feel about the idea of the symbionts potentially being opened to the entire Federation.
Thanksgiving from hell even happens in the 32nd century. The absence of Reno from this scene was a bit odd. Detmer finally snaps. I'm glad she finally gets help.
The movie scene near the end was...okay. I haven't found any movie or series with such a scene where it's acted well. It's usually overdone, and that doesn't change here.
That's twice now Georgiou has eyed Linus like a lioness eyeing a gazelle...
So I can't tell if they're making Owo have feelings for Detmer or if she was just trying to figure out if Detmer was ok.
Again, Michael is a lot more likeable now. She no longer makes my teeth itch.
There's a claim that no known human-trill connection was known in the past. I'm guessing Riker's turn as Odan was either retconned or was lost to time.
The first appearance of what will likely become Zora happens in this episode. This and the fact that "V'Draysh" was name-dropped I think in Episode 2 makes the Short Trek's episode chronology even more confusing.
Apparently isoboramine is something that any joined pair of humanoid and trill symbiont has, not just Trills. I'm not sure I like the idea of Adira dematerializing or whatever in the symbiont pool. Her history of how she got her symbiont is a bit...cliche. So is Adira seeing Gray as an hallucination later on. I'm not sure about the religious angle the Trill have taken, but I guess it's understandable given all that's happened. I'm not sure, but I think we also got a look at a different (earlier) Starfleet uniform. I think the badge worn by the previous host on the far left looked similar to the 32st century Starfleet badge but I can't quite tell. I'm also not quite sure how I feel about the idea of the symbionts potentially being opened to the entire Federation.
Thanksgiving from hell even happens in the 32nd century. The absence of Reno from this scene was a bit odd. Detmer finally snaps. I'm glad she finally gets help.
The movie scene near the end was...okay. I haven't found any movie or series with such a scene where it's acted well. It's usually overdone, and that doesn't change here.
That's twice now Georgiou has eyed Linus like a lioness eyeing a gazelle...
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Shipies! All the shipies! And the USS Voyager-J, which looks like something out of STO from the little we see of it.
Finally back at Starfleet who is...less than welcoming.
I'm curious about who built the seed vault ship. It doesn't look Starfleet, from either the 32nd or 23rd centuries.
Nahn seemingly departs the show. Another somewhat cliche way of going about it but it is what it is.
It's looking more like Detmer is experiencing PTSD, probably remembering how she lost her eye, which was never really explored in great detail.
And now...something's going on with Georgiou...
This episode had the opportunity to explore Barzan culture further and it...fell flat on its face. We're only getting small hints as to what the Barzan people are like and now that Nahn has departed the show (or at least Discovery), that thread doesn't look like it's going to be explored further.
Finally back at Starfleet who is...less than welcoming.
I'm curious about who built the seed vault ship. It doesn't look Starfleet, from either the 32nd or 23rd centuries.
Nahn seemingly departs the show. Another somewhat cliche way of going about it but it is what it is.
It's looking more like Detmer is experiencing PTSD, probably remembering how she lost her eye, which was never really explored in great detail.
And now...something's going on with Georgiou...
This episode had the opportunity to explore Barzan culture further and it...fell flat on its face. We're only getting small hints as to what the Barzan people are like and now that Nahn has departed the show (or at least Discovery), that thread doesn't look like it's going to be explored further.
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Oh boy, where to begin?
Let's start with the Discovery. Discovery-A, I mean. Or Discovery-Tron, depending on how you want to look at it. We start with the Discovery being upgraded and designated the NCC-1031-A, with the integration of programmable matter and the conversion of their nacelles into detachable nacelles, which I still don't understand the justification of, despite the in-episode line about improving maneuverability. The nacelles, deflector, and impulse engines now all look like little more than power lines, which gives the ship far more of a Tron feel. I like the combadges/omnitools and the subplot about Linus not being able to figure out the transporter function was cute. I don't like the magic swirly stuff on the bridge consoles.
The storyline itself wasn't bad, if a bit reused. We now find out that rod Burnham got in Episode 3 was a Starfleet black box. Burnham's relief of duty was coming for a while, and I'm glad it looks like Saru finally came to his senses. Maybe Burnham can come back once she's figured out how to be in Starfleet again, or she may leave later on, still not sure how this will resolve.
Alien-wise, we see an Osnullus that actually speaks, as well as a better view of the mandibles alien from the first episode. A Cardassian also makes an appearance amongst the captains assembled at Starfleet command, as well as a couple of other aliens whose identities I couldn't make out.
The Georgiou plot is advanced further, showing what looks like flashbacks to a traumatic memory Georgiou had in the past with someone bleeding. Not sure what to make of this, as we don't know what Glasses did to her in the previous episode.
No further advancement on the Detmer plot. It looks like Reno is only appearing literally every other episode. No further advancement on the sphere data plot.
Let's start with the Discovery. Discovery-A, I mean. Or Discovery-Tron, depending on how you want to look at it. We start with the Discovery being upgraded and designated the NCC-1031-A, with the integration of programmable matter and the conversion of their nacelles into detachable nacelles, which I still don't understand the justification of, despite the in-episode line about improving maneuverability. The nacelles, deflector, and impulse engines now all look like little more than power lines, which gives the ship far more of a Tron feel. I like the combadges/omnitools and the subplot about Linus not being able to figure out the transporter function was cute. I don't like the magic swirly stuff on the bridge consoles.
The storyline itself wasn't bad, if a bit reused. We now find out that rod Burnham got in Episode 3 was a Starfleet black box. Burnham's relief of duty was coming for a while, and I'm glad it looks like Saru finally came to his senses. Maybe Burnham can come back once she's figured out how to be in Starfleet again, or she may leave later on, still not sure how this will resolve.
Alien-wise, we see an Osnullus that actually speaks, as well as a better view of the mandibles alien from the first episode. A Cardassian also makes an appearance amongst the captains assembled at Starfleet command, as well as a couple of other aliens whose identities I couldn't make out.
The Georgiou plot is advanced further, showing what looks like flashbacks to a traumatic memory Georgiou had in the past with someone bleeding. Not sure what to make of this, as we don't know what Glasses did to her in the previous episode.
No further advancement on the Detmer plot. It looks like Reno is only appearing literally every other episode. No further advancement on the sphere data plot.
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Probably one of the best episodes of the season so far in my opinion.
Burnham finally gets together with Book. I know, shocker. The curve ball I didn't agree with in this episode was placing Tilly in the position of XO. Having her do more command-level duties is fine, but the leap from being an ensign to now being XO is unrealistic, to say the least.
The Discovery crew learns that the Romulans and Vulcans originated from the same planet, and we learn that the reunification process was eventually successful, if still a bit rocky. No details on what happened to the remains of the Empire after it collapsed, or whether there are still Romulan colonies in former Romulan space still, but I figure that will be expanded upon in Picard rather than Discovery. It's interesting to see how the Qowat Milat are still around and incorporated into Vulcan (Romulo-Vulcan? Ni'Varian?) society. The good surprise of the episode was having Burnham's mother be a part of the Qowat Milat, and have her be Burnham's advocate.
We learn that the Vulcans came up with a system ofMass Relays subspace portals that they later thought was responsible for the Burn. It'll be interesting to see if this system features more heavily later on.
The scenes in which Burnham attempts to defend her hypothesis that the portal system didn't cause the Burn seemed...chaotic. There are some potential political parallels that can be drawn from some of the interactions in these scenes if you wish. Otherwise the process was somewhat difficult to follow.
Burnham finally gets together with Book. I know, shocker. The curve ball I didn't agree with in this episode was placing Tilly in the position of XO. Having her do more command-level duties is fine, but the leap from being an ensign to now being XO is unrealistic, to say the least.
The Discovery crew learns that the Romulans and Vulcans originated from the same planet, and we learn that the reunification process was eventually successful, if still a bit rocky. No details on what happened to the remains of the Empire after it collapsed, or whether there are still Romulan colonies in former Romulan space still, but I figure that will be expanded upon in Picard rather than Discovery. It's interesting to see how the Qowat Milat are still around and incorporated into Vulcan (Romulo-Vulcan? Ni'Varian?) society. The good surprise of the episode was having Burnham's mother be a part of the Qowat Milat, and have her be Burnham's advocate.
We learn that the Vulcans came up with a system of
The scenes in which Burnham attempts to defend her hypothesis that the portal system didn't cause the Burn seemed...chaotic. There are some potential political parallels that can be drawn from some of the interactions in these scenes if you wish. Otherwise the process was somewhat difficult to follow.
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I agree that making an Ensign the XO is a very long stretch. Though we did see it in Star Trek [09] when Pike made Cadet Kirk the XO. I am glad that they did emphasize that she would be Acting XO so that indicates a temporary position. Saru needs someone he can trust to not go rogue on every episode. I think the fact that Tilly told Saru he should go to the admiral in ep6 convinced him.
The twist that I found interesting was that it was the Romulans who were more willing to share the data rather than the Vulcans. This is a complete 180 from the other shows. It will be interesting to see where this plotline goes.
The twist that I found interesting was that it was the Romulans who were more willing to share the data rather than the Vulcans. This is a complete 180 from the other shows. It will be interesting to see where this plotline goes.
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Probably my least favorite episode of Season 3 so far.
The main storyline involving going to Book's home planet seems copied from a lot of other shows and is frankly quite boring. We get a sniff if their culture but not enough to make their planet or society interesting. The worst part of this storyline was the proposed solution to attack the Viridian without starting a war with the Federation. I mean really, are our heroes that stupid?
The second disappointing thing was the apparent resolution of the Detmer trauma storyline. Rather than going into the topic of dealing with PTSD, or trying to figure out what was actually going on with Detmer, she "faces what she fears" and is suddenly better. No explanation for what was going on with her. Just bam, she's fixed.
We learn that Georgiou is dying but we're not sure from what yet. Looks like that'll be covered in the next episode with help from a Betelgeusian Starfleet officer from the 24th century...
We learn a little more about the Burn. They know where it started now and that there's a Federation ship stuck there. My personal theory is it's somehow going to be the Discovery seen in Calypso.
The one upside of the episode, though:
Grudge: *jumps in Ryn's lap*
Ryn: "Oh my god what is this thing?!?"
The main storyline involving going to Book's home planet seems copied from a lot of other shows and is frankly quite boring. We get a sniff if their culture but not enough to make their planet or society interesting. The worst part of this storyline was the proposed solution to attack the Viridian without starting a war with the Federation. I mean really, are our heroes that stupid?
The second disappointing thing was the apparent resolution of the Detmer trauma storyline. Rather than going into the topic of dealing with PTSD, or trying to figure out what was actually going on with Detmer, she "faces what she fears" and is suddenly better. No explanation for what was going on with her. Just bam, she's fixed.
We learn that Georgiou is dying but we're not sure from what yet. Looks like that'll be covered in the next episode with help from a Betelgeusian Starfleet officer from the 24th century...
We learn a little more about the Burn. They know where it started now and that there's a Federation ship stuck there. My personal theory is it's somehow going to be the Discovery seen in Calypso.
The one upside of the episode, though:
Grudge: *jumps in Ryn's lap*
Ryn: "Oh my god what is this thing?!?"
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Oh boy did things get fun!
We open with a weird explanation of Georgiou's condition, which is explained as a result of both time travel and universe-jumping. We get our first in-universe glimpse of the Kelvin-verse, which looks like it's converging with the Prime universe, although I think from the date given of Yor's departure from the Kelvin-verse that the early TNG-style uniform came into place later in their universe. And again, I love the new Betelgeusian makeup!
So we go to a planet in the middle of nowhere and encounter an odd fellow that seems designed to be annoying. What we're not sure of is if he's a Q, or something else (maybe like the aliens Harry Kim encountered in the episode where he was back on Earth?). Georgiou steps through a door...and is instantly back in the 23rd century Mirror universe...as the Emperor again.
We get a few surprise appearances, namely Airiam (non-augmented) playing some kind of drunken agonizer game with Stamets and Culver, and Rekha Sharma reprising her role as Landry. It's obvious from her interactions with the various people in this universe that she's changed a bit, and the preview for the next episode gives some interesting possibilities for where the Georgiou series will go.
I also didn't realize in previous episodes involving the Emperess's full title that she was given the title "Daughter of Rome". This might give a hint as to the departure point from the Prime universe, or might have been adopted later on by an empire building itself in Rome's image.
When the Mirror Universe was first re-introduced in the first season, it felt like an excuse to simply have the mirror universe in play but also like a cop-out to get rid of Lorca, who, up to that point, I liked as a captain that had a different perspective on the universe than all the other super-cheery captains we've seen. Oh, and an excuse to bring back Georgiou. Now that Georgiou has developed, our return to the Mirror Universe seems less cringe-worthy. I still wouldn't describe the writing as top-notch, but it's getting better than when we started.
We open with a weird explanation of Georgiou's condition, which is explained as a result of both time travel and universe-jumping. We get our first in-universe glimpse of the Kelvin-verse, which looks like it's converging with the Prime universe, although I think from the date given of Yor's departure from the Kelvin-verse that the early TNG-style uniform came into place later in their universe. And again, I love the new Betelgeusian makeup!
So we go to a planet in the middle of nowhere and encounter an odd fellow that seems designed to be annoying. What we're not sure of is if he's a Q, or something else (maybe like the aliens Harry Kim encountered in the episode where he was back on Earth?). Georgiou steps through a door...and is instantly back in the 23rd century Mirror universe...as the Emperor again.
We get a few surprise appearances, namely Airiam (non-augmented) playing some kind of drunken agonizer game with Stamets and Culver, and Rekha Sharma reprising her role as Landry. It's obvious from her interactions with the various people in this universe that she's changed a bit, and the preview for the next episode gives some interesting possibilities for where the Georgiou series will go.
I also didn't realize in previous episodes involving the Emperess's full title that she was given the title "Daughter of Rome". This might give a hint as to the departure point from the Prime universe, or might have been adopted later on by an empire building itself in Rome's image.
When the Mirror Universe was first re-introduced in the first season, it felt like an excuse to simply have the mirror universe in play but also like a cop-out to get rid of Lorca, who, up to that point, I liked as a captain that had a different perspective on the universe than all the other super-cheery captains we've seen. Oh, and an excuse to bring back Georgiou. Now that Georgiou has developed, our return to the Mirror Universe seems less cringe-worthy. I still wouldn't describe the writing as top-notch, but it's getting better than when we started.
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I just can't watch this show any more.
I gave it a try. I went back and gave Season 1 another run-through, and then went through Season 2, now I've carried on with Season 3 and watched up to, and including, Unification Part III.
Season 1 wasn't as bad as I felt the first time (still not great). Season 2 was alright.
But I just can't watch it any more. The whole show is just centred around "look how great Michael Burnham is". Every story, she saves the day. Most episodes have a drawn out monologue by her, with the music in the background to make it sound more profound.
What ever happened to the ensemble cast shows like TNG and Voyager? Was every single episode of TNG about Riker overcoming his personality flaws and saving the universe?
Yeah, Saru and Tilly get a bit more storyline sometimes, and occasionally one of the other characters gets an extra few lines of dialogue (or a really rushed bit of exposition just before the character gets killed), but it is always pulled back to being about that one character (except when Saru saved his planet).
And there is no reason for it to be this way.
BattleStar Galactica managed to follow a serialised plotline AND make it an ensemble cast.
As did Babylon 5.
Farscape managed to follow the primary story arc of one character AND make the other characters an equal part of the show, instead of focusing solely on how great Chrichton was. He was vulnerable, lost, trying to survive, same as Burnham, but it never came across as "but he always wins in the end".
Why can't Discovery?
I enjoy a lot of aspects of the show, but this...
The final scene of Unification Part III, where it was suggested that Spock was only as awesome as he was because of Michael?! That line summed up the "smugness" of the show itself, to me. And I'm done.
I'll go back to watching Youtube clips of the "good bits", and miss out this rubbish.
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I gave it a try. I went back and gave Season 1 another run-through, and then went through Season 2, now I've carried on with Season 3 and watched up to, and including, Unification Part III.
Season 1 wasn't as bad as I felt the first time (still not great). Season 2 was alright.
But I just can't watch it any more. The whole show is just centred around "look how great Michael Burnham is". Every story, she saves the day. Most episodes have a drawn out monologue by her, with the music in the background to make it sound more profound.
What ever happened to the ensemble cast shows like TNG and Voyager? Was every single episode of TNG about Riker overcoming his personality flaws and saving the universe?
Yeah, Saru and Tilly get a bit more storyline sometimes, and occasionally one of the other characters gets an extra few lines of dialogue (or a really rushed bit of exposition just before the character gets killed), but it is always pulled back to being about that one character (except when Saru saved his planet).
And there is no reason for it to be this way.
BattleStar Galactica managed to follow a serialised plotline AND make it an ensemble cast.
As did Babylon 5.
Farscape managed to follow the primary story arc of one character AND make the other characters an equal part of the show, instead of focusing solely on how great Chrichton was. He was vulnerable, lost, trying to survive, same as Burnham, but it never came across as "but he always wins in the end".
Why can't Discovery?
I enjoy a lot of aspects of the show, but this...
The final scene of Unification Part III, where it was suggested that Spock was only as awesome as he was because of Michael?! That line summed up the "smugness" of the show itself, to me. And I'm done.
I'll go back to watching Youtube clips of the "good bits", and miss out this rubbish.
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