[WIP] Chiletrek's back into modding? o_O

[Chiletrek]

Hello:

Land Air Mech

Thanks for the clarification, next time can you use the acronym alongside it's meaning?

But almost, while it can be on the land as it can walk around, it's attack specialty is in the air and in outerspace.

 

[Chiletrek]

Hello:
These are renders of the Invid aerospace mecha: The Igaarn. This is one of the many amazing Invid designs created by AtolmAzel. Because of animation reasons, Kakinuma Hideki (the original creator of the Inbit, or Invid as known here) mentioned that of 16 designs he made, only 5 made it into the animation, leaving many voids in Invid lines of development.

The Igaarn is a larger aerospace mecha than the Iiga and it was created for more experienced Invid pilots, either by natural growth or by a transmutation by the Regis or an Invid Hive Brain. The Igaarn stands at 3.5 meters height when walking, it possess two main plasma cannons on the main body, 2 smaller ones on the wings and two smaller ones at the forearms. But it's larger size doesn't make it any slower than the Iiga, making the Igaarn a dangerous opponent for those who dare attack an Invid Hive.

While not having the experience or command abilities of the even larger Igren, the Igaarn can still be seen escorted by several Iigas.

 

[Chiletrek]

Hello:
These are renders of the Invid command aerospace mecha: The Igren. This is one of the many amazing Invid designs created by AtolmAzel. Because of animation reasons, Kakinuma Hideki (the original creator of the Inbit, or Invid as known here) mentioned that of 16 designs he made, only 5 made it into the animation, leaving many voids in Invid lines of development and while the Garmo/Pincer is an amazing canon design of a command Invid, we saw it coming from a Gurab, which is a ground-type Invid.

The Igren is one of the largest aerospace Invid mechas and it was designed to accomodate the most experienced Invid pilots in those fields, clearly in the same level of experience and cunning as the Garmo. The Igren comes fitted with a very durable shell coloured with a very noticeable red and white scheme and it is armed with two very strong Heat beam cannons that can melt REF Cylones and two defensive beam cannons in it's forearms, making it more than capable of leading it's forces of fellow Invid against any foe.

 

[Chiletrek]

Hello:
This is my interpretation of the Invid Ligurab ground mecha. The design comes from the pre-production of Genesis Climber Mospeada and while it didn't make it into the animation it was brought to life in the Playstation2 game "Robotech: Invasion" and known as Grappler. But I decided to reinvent the Ligurab as a smaller mecha, perfect for scouting, while keeping a new design made by AtolmAzel as the Grappler.

The Ligurab was never a big presence outside hives, it is a small ground mecha designed for scouting in small packs of three, but there has always been a preference to use Iigas and Rokaarns for scouting from the skies. Still, the Ligurab is a great design, been 3 meters height when standing, it is very speedy and able to easily dodge the fire from large cannons, it can attack adversaries using either it's large feet claws or by grabbing and throwing adversaries (or even ripping them apart).

Just like Iigas (as well as other "youngesters"), Ligurabs of the new Invid race show more activity in Hives when idle, while some would still just sit to 'chit-chat' with others, other Invid will now go around the Hive to poke things until called-upon a new duty.

 

[Chiletrek]

Hello:
This is a completely new model I made of one of the Invid primary ground mechas: The Gurab. This is known as the Trooper variety since it is equipped only for melee-range combats. It is 5 meters in height and is physically tougher, although much slower, than it's speedy Iiga siblings. This variety of Gurab is armed with strong arms with claws and two talons in each foot that can cut through mecha like a knife cuts butter.

The Gurab Trooper is, as the name suggests, a foot soldier for an Invid Hive. Still it has many and varied roles because it is often send to patrol hostile areas, to bury itself to surprise hostile forces and engage in direct combat; But it is also seen very often accompanying, guarding and helping Invid Workers with heavy labour duties.

Gurab troopers that excel in it's duties can be promoted into a Morlor.

 

[Majestic]

While not into the franchise these come from, I can appreciate the skill, time and dedication that has gone into modelling and texturing these. Well done mate.

 

[Chiletrek]

Hello:

While not into the franchise these come from,

To be honest, so far only Atolm and @Epytron_Omega know about where the Invid come from, and while I have a huge AU project for Robotech I get more comments when making Star Trek, BSG or Stargate stuff, heh. So so far it has been a thing of what I want to do.

I can appreciate the skill, time and dedication that has gone into modelling and texturing these. Well done mate.

Thank you very much! That is always very appreciated .

 

[Chiletrek]

Hello:
This is a completely new model I made of one of the Invid primary ground mechas: The Gurab. This is known as the Shocktrooper variety since it is equipped not only for melee-range combats, but it also comes equipped with two large plasma cannons. It is 5 meters in height and is physically tougher, although much slower, than it's speedy Iiga siblings. This variety of Gurab indeed keeps the strong arms with claws and two talons in each foot that can cut through mecha like a knife cuts butter.

The Gurab Shocktrooper is, as the name suggests, a foot soldier for an Invid Hive. Although it might be assigned less varied roles than it's Trooper siblings, as it is mostly send to patrol hostile areas, to bury itself to surprise hostile forces and engage in direct combat.

Gurab troopers that excel in it's duties can be promoted into a Druumah.

 

[Starfox1701]

You and your crabs

 

[Chiletrek]

Hello:

You and your crabs

Don't worry, there will be many more to come

 

[Terra_Inc]

Great work on all of these Chile!
Looking forward to your next models!

 

[Chiletrek]

Hello:

Great work on all of these Chile!
Looking forward to your next models!

Well, here is a new one
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Hello:
These are renders of the Invid ground mecha: The Morlor. This is one of the many amazing Invid designs created by AtolmAzel:

The Morlor is a new mecha design created for Gurabs (Trooper variety) who excelled in their tasks and get promoted. So the Morlor is a bigger and far more resilient foot soldier for an Invid Hive, it's armour gives this Invid twice the endurance of a Gurab and can be wreak any enemy mecha with it's exceptionally powerful arms and claws.

Still it has as many varied roles as the Gurabs, specially when things are quiet. It is rare to see one patrolling hostile areas that are far from a Hive as a Morlor would rather protect those inside it's Hive, but it can still bury itself to surprise hostile forces and totally engage in direct combat; But it is also seen very often accompanying, guarding and helping Invid Workers with heavy labour duties.

 

[Chiletrek]

Hello:
These are renders of the Invid ground mecha: The Druumah. This is one of the many amazing Invid designs created by AtolmAzel:

The Druumah is a new mecha design created for Gurabs (Shocktrooper variety) who excelled in their tasks and get promoted. Druumahs were designed differently to the Morlor, because while it's sibling design is better for brute force, the Druumah instead is heavily armed with many beam cannons that can attack enemies at different ranges and is better dodging enemy fire. The Druumah also has better flight capabilities than the Morlor, allowing it to reach a troubled spot faster.

While the Druumah is indeed a newer design, the first prototypes were seen in combat during the later stages of Earth's occupation, with human combatants giving it the name of "Invid Grappler".

 

[Chiletrek]

Hello:
This is the Tau class shuttle designed by AtolmAzel:

Designed on behalf of The Protectorate by Sienar Fleet System and mass-produced by Kuat's secretly reactivated subsidiary: Rothana. The Tau was designed to ferry crew, troops or as courier for VIPs.

20 meters in lenght, the design reminds of the Lambda class shuttle used by the Imperial Remnants, and indeed share many of it's characteristics. But the Tau was redesigned to match the motif and style of The Protectorate's new line of starfighters that is planned to replace the Alpha-5 Cirrus class V-Wing class of fighters onboard starships. This shuttle has proven to be so extremely reliable that it is now been mass-produced.

The Tau is armed with six laser cannons: One front, one aft, and two on each side wing.

 

[Admiral*Alex]

The Tau class looks like an in-bewteen the Nu-Class/Theta Class and the lambda Class Shuttle. While it sounds like a Post-Ender design, it still looks like a great early Empire design.

 

[Chiletrek]

Hello:

The Tau class looks like an in-bewteen the Nu-Class/Theta Class and the lambda Class Shuttle. While it sounds like a Post-Ender design, it still looks like a great early Empire design.

Thank you very much! The Protectorate did born as an Imperial sector that went independent after Endor, but they remained under the NEw Republic's radar for some years. That is why their similar designs to Imperial gear.

 

[Majestic]

I see the protectorate are using designs more from the old Republic, well designs inspired by them like their V-wing. Is that done on purpose to move away from the Imperial image/origins they have?

 

[Chiletrek]

Hello:

I see the protectorate are using designs more from the old Republic, well designs inspired by them like their V-wing. Is that done on purpose to move away from the Imperial image/origins they have?

Thanks for commenting! As for the Protectorate, you are right! It was done on purpose because they wanted to move away from their origins. They were originally in quite a backwater area with no help and they were looked with contempt by other Moffs, so they spent their time actually fighting pirates and other menaces making the people actually happy to have them around, so there was no Rebel Alliance in the area.

After Palpatine died (he died for good in my AU) Kuat approached this faction and secretly offered help (recreating Rothana) in the same way Kuat offered secret help to the Imperial Remnants (creating Entralla).

 

[Majestic]

Hello:

Thanks for commenting! As for the Protectorate, you are right! It was done on purpose because they wanted to move away from their origins. They were originally in quite a backwater area with no help and they were looked with contempt by other Moffs, so they spent their time actually fighting pirates and other menaces making the people actually happy to have them around, so there was no Rebel Alliance in the area.

After Palpatine died (he died for good in my AU) Kuat approached this faction and secretly offered help (recreating Rothana) in the same way Kuat offered secret help to the Imperial Remnants (creating Entralla).

Good old Rothana, I wondering if they'll have Acclamator type capitals. That'll be pretty neat.

 

[Terra_Inc]

Great work Chile, that is an interesting design. Loving the color scheme, and props for including the landing struts in the model, that's a cool detail. Good to see you doing SW stuff as well, I've been diving back into the franchise recently myself.

Hello:

Thanks for commenting! As for the Protectorate, you are right! It was done on purpose because they wanted to move away from their origins. They were originally in quite a backwater area with no help and they were looked with contempt by other Moffs, so they spent their time actually fighting pirates and other menaces making the people actually happy to have them around, so there was no Rebel Alliance in the area.

After Palpatine died (he died for good in my AU) Kuat approached this faction and secretly offered help (recreating Rothana) in the same way Kuat offered secret help to the Imperial Remnants (creating Entralla).

That's a cool bit of world-building! I'd love to hear more about your AU, that sounds quite interesting. I actually have a somewhat similar faction in an unfinished fanfic of mine... they're considerably more empire-ish, though. They're mostly good people, but they happen to sit on the old Sith homeworlds and the Dark Side has a way of twisting even the most noble intentions in horrible ways.
In general, I think the post-Endor time frame is a great time to set stories, and I don't particularly care about sticking with the old or new canon for it, either.

Good old Rothana, I wondering if they'll have Acclamator type capitals. That'll be pretty neat.

Ooh, that would be great. I really like the Acclamator.

 

[Chiletrek]

Hello:

Good old Rothana, I wondering if they'll have Acclamator type capitals. That'll be pretty neat.

Actually? Yeah! The Protectorate will have many ships you would all find interesting:
- A fleet carrier similar to the Venator. So not spammable, but more like a sexy command ship.
- A heavy hitter ship that is like the Victory... but beefier. Their main combat ship to replace ISDs.
- A heavy cruiser like the Acclamator. The Protectorate is not meant to be conquering worlds, so while the ship can carry a lot of troops and vehicles to troubled spots, it dedicates more to turbolasers and Ion Cannons.

Great work Chile, that is an interesting design. Loving the color scheme, and props for including the landing struts in the model, that's a cool detail. Good to see you doing SW stuff as well, I've been diving back into the franchise recently myself.

Thank you very much! I might not have returned to SW in earniest, but you can see I have some renewed ideas .

That's a cool bit of world-building! I'd love to hear more about your AU, that sounds quite interesting. I actually have a somewhat similar faction in an unfinished fanfic of mine... they're considerably more empire-ish, though. They're mostly good people, but they happen to sit on the old Sith homeworlds and the Dark Side has a way of twisting even the most noble intentions in horrible ways.

Thank you very much! These ideas I have were also meant for a fanfic, but since I lost my will to write some years ago I've decided to, at least, show some lore as descriptions in ships and crafts. Maybe one day I can write again.

The Dark Side is about force-twisting the will of the Force for one's needs, so no wonder those homeworlds are filled with not the greatest emotions and vibes . That is very unfrotunate for them, but it is also very interesting!

In my AU I do have a Dark Empire, similar to the one in Byss, except without Palpatine. They were all officers and soldiers working on secret weapons and new techonologies.

In general, I think the post-Endor time frame is a great time to set stories, and I don't particularly care about sticking with the old or new canon for it, either.

Me neither, my post-Endor AU is a total blank canvas for new stories .

Ooh, that would be great. I really like the Acclamator.

I hope you'd like my custom version!

 

[Majestic]

That's a cool bit of world-building! I'd love to hear more about your AU, that sounds quite interesting. I actually have a somewhat similar faction in an unfinished fanfic of mine... they're considerably more empire-ish, though. They're mostly good people, but they happen to sit on the old Sith homeworlds and the Dark Side has a way of twisting even the most noble intentions in horrible ways.
In general, I think the post-Endor time frame is a great time to set stories, and I don't particularly care about sticking with the old or new canon for it, either.

Very interesting, hope you do a thread or something about this at some point.

Ooh, that would be great. I really like the Acclamator.

Me too it's a bit of a favourite of mine how I original envisioned Republic warships would be in the Clone wars evolving into the Victory although the Venator kinda threw that off course for a bit haha.

Hello:

Actually? Yeah! The Protectorate will have many ships you would all find interesting:
- A fleet carrier similar to the Venator. So not spammable, but more like a sexy command ship.
- A heavy hitter ship that is like the Victory... but beefier. Their main combat ship to replace ISDs.
- A heavy cruiser like the Acclamator. The Protectorate is not meant to be conquering worlds, so while the ship can carry a lot of troops and vehicles to troubled spots, it dedicates more to turbolasers and Ion Cannons.

Nice will they use like dreadnaught and carrack types as well?

In my AU I do have a Dark Empire, similar to the one in Byss, except without Palpatine. They were all officers and soldiers working on secret weapons and new techonologies.

Lead by a surviving Grand Moff or Admiral? That'd be cool maybe even a surviving Inquisitor like Jerec from Jedi Knight Dark Forces 2. I never liked the whole Palpy coming back in Legends or Disney. I would've rather a Sith Lord frozen in Carbonite from the Old Republic era or a surviving Emperor's Hand or Inquisitor taking rule over the remnants of the Empire.

Me neither, my post-Endor AU is a total blank canvas for new stories .

Post Endor is a great era to tell stories, I have had my own intentions of telling a story in that era myself at some point that mixes some characters from the prequels into it through a series of events.

I like how like me with my Clone Wars expanded you're doing models that tell the story. It's a nice way when you have the desire to tell a story but not the motivation to write a story like a fan fic.

 

[Chiletrek]

Hello:

Very interesting, hope you do a thread or something about this at some point.

a Thread for like Fanfic stories?

Me too it's a bit of a favourite of mine how I original envisioned Republic warships would be in the Clone wars evolving into the Victory although the Venator kinda threw that off course for a bit haha.

Yeah, the Venator then got more used than the Klingon BoP . That is why I want to build a new version but to give it it's proper role as fleet carrier and command.

Nice will they use like dreadnaught and carrack types as well?

Carrack types? Yes, but I may have a couple of new designs for that role .

Dreadnaught? I'd love to! But I still have no design .

Lead by a surviving Grand Moff or Admiral? That'd be cool maybe even a surviving Inquisitor like Jerec from Jedi Knight Dark Forces 2. I never liked the whole Palpy coming back in Legends or Disney. I would've rather a Sith Lord frozen in Carbonite from the Old Republic era or a surviving Emperor's Hand or Inquisitor taking rule over the remnants of the Empire.

Yeah, I actually thought about someone like Jerec. My idea was to have both options you mention, leading to internal tensions and thus allowing for a window of opportunity for Luke to step in.

Post Endor is a great era to tell stories, I have had my own intentions of telling a story in that era myself at some point that mixes some characters from the prequels into it through a series of events.

Absolutely! And while I am a fan of getting characters in troubles, I totally dislike the trending of "deconstruction" which is what Di$ney did: Leia and Han separating, the New Republic becoming idiotic and vaporized, Luke became a hermit. So such things you won't see from me.

I like how like me with my Clone Wars expanded you're doing models that tell the story. It's a nice way when you have the desire to tell a story but not the motivation to write a story like a fan fic.

You've totally nailed it

 

[Majestic]

Hello:

a Thread for like Fanfic stories?

Or for his project just to discuss it and such.

Yeah, the Venator then got more used than the Klingon BoP . That is why I want to build a new version but to give it it's proper role as fleet carrier and command.

Yeah they should've used the Victory or Dreadnaught instead of the Venator like they did. The Venator only made sense of the episodes they were launching invasions.

Carrack types? Yes, but I may have a couple of new designs for that role .

Yeah I love the Carrack. You'll see.

Dreadnaught? I'd love to! But I still have no design .

The Dreadnaught heavy cruiser while old is still reliable, maybe a newer version.

Yeah, I actually thought about someone like Jerec. My idea was to have both options you mention, leading to internal tensions and thus allowing for a window of opportunity for Luke to step in.

Yes that's a good idea.

Absolutely! And while I am a fan of getting characters in troubles, I totally dislike the trending of "deconstruction" which is what Di$ney did: Leia and Han separating, the New Republic becoming idiotic and vaporized, Luke became a hermit. So such things you won't see from me.

Yes Disney messed it up so much. Not a single lesson those characters learned in the OT followed through to their trilogy. Was like a rehash of the OT just done more poorly. Han being the smuggler, Leia the rebel, Luke is Obi-wan but with no reason, Kylo was Vader. So poorly done. Much prefer Legends myself. Plus fan fictions.

You've totally nailed it

Thanks I try hahaha.

 

[Chiletrek]

Hello:

Or for his project just to discuss it and such.

That makes sense.

Yeah they should've used the Victory or Dreadnaught instead of the Venator like they did. The Venator only made sense of the episodes they were launching invasions.

Missed opportunity indeed, as they are both very well-known designs that deserved to shine.

Yeah I love the Carrack. You'll see.

Funny thing, Iwas so sureI made a Carrack... but I didn't.... whoops!
That is a ship that will be done. I am just unsure if only for the Imperial Remnants or for the Protectorate too.

The Dreadnaught heavy cruiser while old is still reliable, maybe a newer version.

Ohhh! That one. I misread it with "dreadnought", the huge ships.
I have the Dreadnaught heavy cruiser done with 3 variants. I think all factions can use it, the difference is that I gave the New Republic the Champion class, which is a new ship inspired by the Dreadnaught.

Yes that's a good idea.

Thanks! That would have been a nice story.

Yes Disney messed it up so much. Not a single lesson those characters learned in the OT followed through to their trilogy. Was like a rehash of the OT just done more poorly. Han being the smuggler, Leia the rebel, Luke is Obi-wan but with no reason, Kylo was Vader. So poorly done. Much prefer Legends myself. Plus fan fictions.

Sad part is, it was certainly done on purpose. they have all the money and all the people they need, but yet the results are poop.

Thanks I try hahaha.

You are welcome!

 

[Majestic]

Missed opportunity indeed, as they are both very well-known designs that deserved to shine.

Absolutely. Made no sense to ignore the Carrack, Victory and Dreadnaught. All 3 are iconic ships from the era. I keep saying TCW series is so incomplete with both designs and showing stories of the other Jedi in the war.

Funny thing, Iwas so sureI made a Carrack... but I didn't.... whoops!
That is a ship that will be done. I am just unsure if only for the Imperial Remnants or for the Protectorate too.

Considering it's age I could see it being a Remnant ship for the most part if the Protectorate is trying to move away from it's Imperial origins.

Ohhh! That one. I misread it with "dreadnought", the huge ships.
I have the Dreadnaught heavy cruiser done with 3 variants. I think all factions can use it, the difference is that I gave the New Republic the Champion class, which is a new ship inspired by the Dreadnaught.

Hahaha. All good. Yeah I could see the New Republic trying to field a new fleet and more away from the cobbled together fleet they had as the Rebellion. Legends did the same thing with the New Class project that gave us my favourite Star Destroyer the Nebula.

Thanks! That would have been a nice story.

Indeed.

Sad part is, it was certainly done on purpose. they have all the money and all the people they need, but yet the results are poop.

Unfortunately as my favourite character is Mara Jade, you can imagine my disappointment.

You are welcome!

 

[Chiletrek]

Hello:

Absolutely. Made no sense to ignore the Carrack, Victory and Dreadnaught. All 3 are iconic ships from the era. I keep saying TCW series is so incomplete with both designs and showing stories of the other Jedi in the war.

I wouldn't try to think why they took such decisions, maybe producers at Di$ney told them use as least they could of the old EU?

Considering it's age I could see it being a Remnant ship for the most part if the Protectorate is trying to move away from it's Imperial origins.

Maybe that was we can keep uniqueness in the fleets, so I agree!

Hahaha. All good. Yeah I could see the New Republic trying to field a new fleet and more away from the cobbled together fleet they had as the Rebellion. Legends did the same thing with the New Class project that gave us my favourite Star Destroyer the Nebula.

I wouldn't know anything about the Nebula

But I admit I like the Endurance a bit more :

Indeed.

Maybe some day?

Unfortunately as my favourite character is Mara Jade, you can imagine my disappointment.

Oh dang. I guess we can just try and forget the Di$ney canon and do our own thing?

 

[Majestic]

Hello:

I wouldn't try to think why they took such decisions, maybe producers at Di$ney told them use as least they could of the old EU?

Probably, I do know it started with Lucas and he seems to hate the EU.

Maybe that was we can keep uniqueness in the fleets, so I agree!

Yup maybe have some as map units as well that attack, I know in Sins planetary defenders are made up of all sorts of designs.

I wouldn't know anything about the Nebula
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But I admit I like the Endurance a bit more :
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Haha. Nebula is my favourite.

Maybe some day?

Yes, certainly.

Oh dang. I guess we can just try and forget the Di$ney canon and do our own thing?

I do that, I cherry pick what I like from Legends and canon and go my own way haha.

 

[Chiletrek]

Hello:

Probably, I do know it started with Lucas and he seems to hate the EU.

lol, that is true, Lucas always had his own vision for a continuation. The problem is that when the purchase was made, what Disney said about using his ideas were only spoken about but that statement was never written in the contract.

Yup maybe have some as map units as well that attack, I know in Sins planetary defenders are made up of all sorts of designs.

Ohh yeah, I have always liked that idea. That is why I have perfect candidates for such roles in any Stargate mods .

Same if anybody ever makes a Robotech mod .

Haha. Nebula is my favourite.

The sad thing is how the design we know and love, Fractalpsonge's, was made to sabotage the design itself. All you need to realize that fact are his own words when he talks about starships (I have been lurking in his webpage long enough)... and that he is an Imperial lover .

Of course he might deny it, but it is easy to read between the lines

So my version addressed the sabotage and made it more formidable, trying to make it as described in the actual lore (and not his ideas): Larger reactor, smaller hangar as the Endurance is the dedicated fleet carrier and NR fighters have hyperdrives. More and better weapon coverage without been overwhelming.

Yes, certainly.

I do that, I cherry pick what I like from Legends and canon and go my own way haha.

We are part of the same club then!

 

[Majestic]

Hello:

lol, that is true, Lucas always had his own vision for a continuation. The problem is that when the purchase was made, what Disney said about using his ideas were only spoken about but that statement was never written in the contract.

I think the prequels hadn't gone the way he hoped with the fanbase and didn't want to try again, he had his ideas sure and probably assumed Kennedy would've honoured them with the sequels but as you said it wasn't in the contract and in many ways betrayed him. I think he was just tired and wanted the money. While I think what he would've done with the sequels would've been better than what Disney did I still think it lacked what the EU did.

Honestly people like Zhan understood Luke better than even Lucas did in the end. Even Lucas had planned Luke to do the whole non attachment hermit route from what I've heard.

Ohh yeah, I have always liked that idea. That is why I have perfect candidates for such roles in any Stargate mods .

Food for thought then.

The sad thing is how the design we know and love, Fractalpsonge's, was made to sabotage the design itself. All you need to realize that fact are his own words when he talks about starships (I have been lurking in his webpage long enough)... and that he is an Imperial lover .

Of course he might deny it, but it is easy to read between the lines

I still love the design even if he did as you say. Lol

So my version addressed the sabotage and made it more formidable, trying to make it as described in the actual lore (and not his ideas): Larger reactor, smaller hangar as the Endurance is the dedicated fleet carrier and NR fighters have hyperdrives. More and better weapon coverage without been overwhelming.

Yes, I like it when fans do their own thing, make modifications. Anyone who has followed by modelling will no how much I hate doing canon designs as I like doing my own thing. Even my Constitution isn't accurate it's a refit of the refit in many ways. I just hate sticking to something that has already been done to death as others have done far accurate versions. I prefer to go my own way with things. Always have. So totally understand and appreciate you doing similar here.

We are part of the same club then!

Absolutely.