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Rebooted Babylon 5?

Discussion in 'Babylon 5' started by Majestic, 9 Sep 2015.

  1. Majestic

    Majestic Life's a garden. Dig it! Staff Member Administrator

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    I saw came across this article, yes it's from late last year.

    http://screenrant.com/babylon-5-movie-reboot/

    I for one am not a fan in rebooting the series, to me why mess with an almost prefect series. Instead I'd rather see maybe a spin off series about a ship in the civil war starting in like season 2 of Babylon 5. Maybe have it initially stay loyal to Clark and then goes rogue before joining Sherdian's Army of Light. The amount of story material there and having it tie in with the existing series would be a better option than rebooting Babylon 5.

    Your thoughts on all of this?
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    Chiletrek Warriors from Fluidic Space Community Member

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    Hello:
    And I agree with you, because a reboot will destroy everything we love about the series, just like the possible reboot of Stargate :( .
  3. Majestic

    Majestic Life's a garden. Dig it! Staff Member Administrator

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    I agree Chiletrek. Too many bloody reboots these days. I am rather sick of them. I'd rather see new series/stories that work in with the existing material in these IP universes.

    I would also like to see a good sci-fi series return to TV, a new babylon 5 or stargate series would be most welcome.
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    Well to be honest there are a few reboots which do work well. For example, the animated Thunderbirds series looks dam good, and I'm hoping Space 2099 is going to be made :)

    As for B5. Well, my thoughts would be along the lines of continuation with B6 (don't really care about them stating another station wouldn't be made. People change their minds all the time).
  5. Majestic

    Majestic Life's a garden. Dig it! Staff Member Administrator

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    As I said to @SciFiFan on Facebook. I wouldn't mind seeing a series set like 100 years in the future with a war between Earth and the ISA, with the outcome being a new Babylon station. We saw a glimpse of the start of the war in the last episode of season 4. That I would be okay with. It could start with a TV movie about the war a little like "In the Beginning" a retelling of it. And Babylon 6 being the focus of the series.
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    SciFiFan We lurk in the shadows Staff Member Forum Moderator

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    Another suggestion I had would be to continue the original story line and pick back up with the war between the Alliance and Centauri Republic.
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    From a financial point of view, I think it makes a lot of sense. The problem with spin-offs is that they often assume the viewer has seen the original, or at least has a faint idea what it's about. Even if that's not the case, many people will assume that they need to know the original to understand or enjoy the spin-off. Whereas, if you start the whole thing new, you will most likely get lots of new viewers and fans, and a lot of the older fans will come back as well.

    With that said, as a fan I think it will be hard to top the original. Yeah, it has some flaws, the aged VFX and the problem with season 5 are some of them. But I definitely agree with Maj that it is one of the best Sci-Fi series ever made. It just has its heart in the right place, IMHO. And of course, many of the original actors will be very hard to replace.
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  8. Majestic

    Majestic Life's a garden. Dig it! Staff Member Administrator

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    That is why I suggested a movie then a series. The movie set up like "In the Beginning" That explains the lead up to the new series. It could be dialogued by Delenn or Sheridan, or both. Explaining the Earth-Minbari War, the creation of the Interstellar Alliance after the Shadow War and the eventual desire by Earth to go to war with the ISA due to wanting to expand etc.

    That way people don't need to see the original, the movie gives them a brief run down on the earlier series.
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    Hellkite Lord of Death Staff Member Administrator Seraphim build team

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    I would prefer a continuation over a reboot, but JMS stated that it was difficult to make Lost Tales without Andreas Katsulas or Richard Biggs. That problem can only get worse. Continuity lockout is also a problem, as Terra stated.

    If they do a reboot, I would like something different rather than a simple rehash. Much of the same concept, but with a different spin and a different set of characters. Nobody could ever replace Andreas Katsulas as G'kar, so they shouldn't even try. They should make a completely new and distinct character as the Narn representative instead. A different set of characters alone would massively change the way the story unfolds.

    I'd also like to get a better look at some of the species. The Narn were excellently done, but the Minbari could have used some Worker Caste characters, the Centauri could have benefited from just one or two more commoners, and the Shadows really needed somebody to show that they had a good side. The Vorlons had Kosh and Ulkesh (Kosh II) to show us their good and bad sides, but the Shadows didn't have any characters with any redeeming qualities and their tech is shunned while Vorlon tech is embraced. Kind of odd for a conflict meant to show us that neither extreme was correct.
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    SciFiFan We lurk in the shadows Staff Member Forum Moderator

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    You can do a reboot without throwing everything away. Jurassic World is esentially a reboot of the Jurassic Park franchise. They started something new without ignoring or discarding the old.
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    Majestic Life's a garden. Dig it! Staff Member Administrator

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    What a real reboot really is. It accepts the past while embracing the future.
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    No. No NO NO NO!!!! :no::no:

    In case I was being too subtle, I'm against a reboot. They got it right the first time. Yes the vfx are a little behind by todays standards, but they are still perfectly watchable (partway through S4 now). Yes the extras needed acting lessons. But we all know what'll happen if it gets rebooted - they'll all be about 15, Ivanova will spend most of each episode with her clothes off (... maybe... no, still No) and they'll manage to screw up the story because it won't get the required number of episodes commissioned (the story is a complex arc) and will be closed out early. Or (just as bad), it'll prove popular and they'll string it out for as long as possible, forgetting where the story actually goes. Plus it's too complicated for most people (and tv execs), lets face it, it didn't massively catch on the first time round.

    I would support a separate storyline. I like the idea of the civil war storyline, but there'd be too much temptation to make the crew the big heros of the story. Which leaves either a late sequel (taking on the Drahk after the cure has been found - will EF succumb to revenge?) or a prequal (Dilgar War? Minbari War? Last Shadow War?)

    But let's remember, we've been here before. Crusade anyone? Remember how they screwed that up?
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    It would probably be easier to sell now, actually. The success of Breaking Bad, Lost (even if it was horrible), BSG '04, and Game of Thrones has finally convinced execs that multi-season arcs are profitable. That said, if they do a reboot without JMS it will tank.

    When TNT bought season 5, they realized that people were tuning in for B5 and then not sticking around for their other programs. Rather than be satisfied with a successful show, they decided to intentionally ruin Crusade so they could get out of the contract. A network that actually wants the show would presumably be better about it.

    This gives me an idea. Reboot Crusade without the stupid interference.
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    kjc733 Wibble Staff Member Forum Moderator Seraphim build team

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    How about something on PsyCorps?
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    Majestic Life's a garden. Dig it! Staff Member Administrator

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    @kjc733 I am of the same opinion, something new that accepts and embraces the original series is welcomed. A total reboot I hope doesn't happen.
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    I hope the reboot is like the rebooted Battlestar Galactica, not the 2009 Star Trek movie.
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    If you mean uprated visual effects - I'll go for that.

    if you mean a meandering plot line where the writers didn't really have a clue where they were going, filled with characters who are all so friggin self absorbed they make continuously stupid decision and keep switching partners on a regular basis - I stand by my original assessment!
    :no::no::no::no::no::no::no::no:

    I actually quite liked the new BSG, but they could have done it with a third of the episodes and cut out the whole religious claptrap and it would probably have been better for it.
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    It's a good tone for most of B5, though, the Shadow War in particular.

    I don't think I would mind a remake, but it would need to start off at least as good as the original's season 2, stay that good at a bare minimum, and would need to bring something new to the table. They can't just rehash the original plot verbatim; they would need a different character lineup and the story would have to be different enough that we wouldn't be able to tell how it ends in advance. If they don't do all this, then there wouldn't be much point in watching.
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    Well said. They are better off not messing with it, give it a pass over with new CGI and some visual improvements and fixes.

    Then they should look at rebooting Crusade and Legend of the Rangers and bring something new to them, a total change on either of those shows would be most welcome by most fans I think.

    They just should not reboot B5 itself. Use a remastered as a launch pad for a new series.
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    I'd love to see a Crusade reboot. Not sure about Legend of the Rangers, though.
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    Majestic Life's a garden. Dig it! Staff Member Administrator

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    If LoR was done totally different, same concept of a Ranger crew, but on board something more modern like a Whitestar or other new and small ship I think it would be cool. Maybe set during the Drakh war or something. Maybe as a follow on to a Crusade reboot.
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    I agree with the above statements. Release a remastered B5 (take the original film and update the CGI). Then possible reboot Crusade or make a new B5 that picks up with a new commander during the Drahk war. Just my personal opinion.
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    B5 was shot in widescreen because JMS saw widescreen TVs and sale of individual episodes coming a mile off, but the CGI was done at 4:3. You can see on the widescreen version that when the scene has effects, like PPG shots, they had to crop the original scene down from 16:9 to 4:3, then down to 16:9 again, with a noticeable dip in quality. If they still have the original film, then a remaster should be doable and not have that problem. It would also be a good way to build hype for a new B5 project.
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    Love B5 didn't at first until well until I found out that DS9 and Voyager were on their Series Finale. The more I watched the more intrigued I got. I will say I am sort of upset that Crusades got canceled because I'd love to see how they find the end to the plague. We we all know they did since Earth was still around when Sheridan passed beyond the rim. As for a reboot I have to agree. every reboot I've seen including the new Star Trek movies I think are a flop and mostly because. Producers are more interested in hot characters and CGI then actual storyline. And yes I know B5 was mostly CGI but it at least had a great story.
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    A reboot of Crusade or RoL would be fine. As long as they don´t mess with the original series.
    The Star Trek reboot is nice as a standalone, but it reminds me too much of Enterprise, and I don´t like that thing.
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    A reboot of the 5 year main arc of B5, NO.

    I would much rather see a continuation of Crusade, don't care the actors are older...dye their hair. It pains me how unresolved that series was left by lame TNT.

    Outside of that, I'd like to see perhaps some folks on a Warlock Destroyer during the Dra'kh War or against that Centauri conflict Sheridan saw in a vision during Lost Tales. Especially if they give some love to fighter pilots, in the vein of Battlestar Galactica.
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    Borg_Queen Bringer of order to chaos Community Member

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    Not sure on the reboot of B5, but I do agree with that a reboot of Crusade and LoR would be better.

    I'm not fond of unresolved cliffhangers, and both those shows had that. So a reboot of those to tell the entire story this time would be nice. :)

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