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Kosh Naranek
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Well, so as to clear the original thread from this off-topic discussion, I've moved it here.
Well, if its alright with Majestic, why don't we just use this thread from now on? Provided all forum rules are followed of course.
Huh? I don't know what you mean by 'smart missiles'. If you're referring to the ones from Andromeda, those are basically just warheads with engines that can track a target as regular Andromeda ordinance are KEVs.
As for the power of the Shai'Halud...*points to how just the FTL drive can be used as an anti-fleet weapon*.
Technically, that's not 'cutting up a planet' as you mentioned. That was just scooping up a colony or outpost with a tractor beam.
The Death Cloud wasn't a last resort, neither was the Vorlon Planet Killer. Both were used, in canon, as first strike weapons against worlds friendly to the other side. To cite an example, Centauri Prime almost was destroyed by a Vorlon Planet Killer due to the Shadow influence that had controlled the previous government that had just been eliminated.
On a common basis, yep, B5's the one for that. In fact, back when the Vorlons and Shadows went at each other tooth-and-claw, before they decided to use 'pawns', entire civilizations were destroyed, entire species went extinct.
First off, they aren't the same in any way. The Borg Cutting Beam, like the majority of canon Star Trek 'beam' weapons is a particle beam weapon. The Shadow Death Ray, as its informally known, is a shunt of pure interdimensional energy straight out of Hyperspace.
As for how powerful First One level weapons, read these:
Weapons: http://www.b5tech.com/science/weapons/deathray/deathray.html
Defenses: http://www.b5tech.com/science/weapons/deathray/shields.htm
Conclusion: http://www.b5tech.com/science/weapons/deathray/concl.htm
As you can see, the weapons output is around 1 million Terawatts and armor/shield strength is over 1.38 million Terajoules.
Cite your source please.
I noticed.
What class? A Vorcan, I doubt it, I seriously doubt it. A Primus, now that's more likely to do heavy damage if its equipped with a mass-driver (which they use to fling KEVs at planets at c-frac speeds).
First off, we're talking Shadows vs Borg, not my Shai'Halud vs a Borg Cube. Secondly, you are correct in that both can be taken out with the right tactics.
Actually, ever Voyager era Borg ship was equipped with shields, which they used (hence why people just didn't beam on and off at well (I cite the episode where they find the Borg kids as an example)).
First, right. Second, in regards to the FTL, well, all I have to do is open the hyperspatial vortex on or inside the Cube...insta pwnage.
Once again, I provide this canon derived essay for perusal:
http://www.b5tech.com/science/weapons/particlebeam/particlebeam.html
That explains the fact that the original G.O.D. cannons that the ones my ship has are based on carried a fire power of 2.4 million Terawatts. I doubt a Cube can regenerate from being made into swiss cheese.
Hence why I'm trying to avoid such discussion. I made this thread as a place where we can debate the various canon techs, not our RPG ships, peacefully and according to the forum rules without any connection to any RPG.
Agreed.
Now, if its alright with you, Majestic, I'm willing to continue this little debate concerning alernate canon's techs.
Just to finish this, hope you don't mind:
Well, if its alright with Majestic, why don't we just use this thread from now on? Provided all forum rules are followed of course.
So, the smart missiels and such doesn't count? You said your ship was the most powerful one, so I had to show you that your ost powerful weapons are def. not the most powerful in the fleet.
Huh? I don't know what you mean by 'smart missiles'. If you're referring to the ones from Andromeda, those are basically just warheads with engines that can track a target as regular Andromeda ordinance are KEVs.
As for the power of the Shai'Halud...*points to how just the FTL drive can be used as an anti-fleet weapon*.
Every time they found a holed out planet, like in "Best of Both Worlds". The Borg only cuts out the technology they want, and thus doesn't bither with the rest of the planet, that is, if it's not a machine planet or an extrem threat.
Technically, that's not 'cutting up a planet' as you mentioned. That was just scooping up a colony or outpost with a tractor beam.
AND it was an enemy. The Shadow Death Cloud was also a last resort.
The Death Cloud wasn't a last resort, neither was the Vorlon Planet Killer. Both were used, in canon, as first strike weapons against worlds friendly to the other side. To cite an example, Centauri Prime almost was destroyed by a Vorlon Planet Killer due to the Shadow influence that had controlled the previous government that had just been eliminated.
But they blew up a planet anyway, and you're acting like it's only in B5 a planet gets blown up.
On a common basis, yep, B5's the one for that. In fact, back when the Vorlons and Shadows went at each other tooth-and-claw, before they decided to use 'pawns', entire civilizations were destroyed, entire species went extinct.
It's been theorized that the Shadow Battlecrab can do it, it has never been shown. And since the Borg cutting beam is of the same type (just different color), the Shadow Battlecrabs can't be more powerful than Borg Cubes.
First off, they aren't the same in any way. The Borg Cutting Beam, like the majority of canon Star Trek 'beam' weapons is a particle beam weapon. The Shadow Death Ray, as its informally known, is a shunt of pure interdimensional energy straight out of Hyperspace.
As for how powerful First One level weapons, read these:
Weapons: http://www.b5tech.com/science/weapons/deathray/deathray.html
Defenses: http://www.b5tech.com/science/weapons/deathray/shields.htm
Conclusion: http://www.b5tech.com/science/weapons/deathray/concl.htm
As you can see, the weapons output is around 1 million Terawatts and armor/shield strength is over 1.38 million Terajoules.
And the Borg Cubes has so strong hull that it is compared to be as tough to destrouy as a moon.
Cite your source please.
Check above there I mentioned Cubes.
I noticed.
The Centauri Warship.
What class? A Vorcan, I doubt it, I seriously doubt it. A Primus, now that's more likely to do heavy damage if its equipped with a mass-driver (which they use to fling KEVs at planets at c-frac speeds).
Ok, this is gettin annoying . Both ships are strong but both can be destroyed with the right methods !
First off, we're talking Shadows vs Borg, not my Shai'Halud vs a Borg Cube. Secondly, you are correct in that both can be taken out with the right tactics.
The cubes dont use shields very often, there hull adapts to the weaponry and regenerates but they are very weak to transporter attacks ( Beaming in warheads ! ) and there troops are strong but we each have different weapons so they are weaker if we work together . The borg can go to transwarp instantly meaning quick escapes if needed and they have a large arsenal of weaponry ( Cutting beams , Grav torpedo's and Adaption beams )
Actually, ever Voyager era Borg ship was equipped with shields, which they used (hence why people just didn't beam on and off at well (I cite the episode where they find the Borg kids as an example)).
The warlock hasnt any shielding and has thick armor, meaning the borg can beam in troops without having to deal with the shield grid ! ( Meaning that they can board you without any problems ! ) . Your crew is trained and you have lots of them but the borg will still adapt and assimilate . Your FTL drive will open the vortex meaning you have a slower escape than the rest but you do have the weaponry to fight back
First, right. Second, in regards to the FTL, well, all I have to do is open the hyperspatial vortex on or inside the Cube...insta pwnage.
Kosh, your ship would deal heavy damage to the cube but she would be lost and the cube would regenerate the damage . Thats how i see a fight between them and thats how it would happen . Both ships have heavy weaponry but the borgs armor and the troops would spell doom for the Shai' Halud , Your not the god of this fleet and you may have alot of weaponry but your weak to transporter attacks ( Meaning i could beam a nuke onboard and you couldnt do anything ! ) . Stop this crap about your ship being so mighty , im gettin sick of hearing it !
Once again, I provide this canon derived essay for perusal:
http://www.b5tech.com/science/weapons/particlebeam/particlebeam.html
That explains the fact that the original G.O.D. cannons that the ones my ship has are based on carried a fire power of 2.4 million Terawatts. I doubt a Cube can regenerate from being made into swiss cheese.
Yes lets not get into the who has the better ship debate again. Thats one of the major concerns I had when restarting Crossovers again. Its a problem very few RPG's have, that is due to the nature of this RPG.
Hence why I'm trying to avoid such discussion. I made this thread as a place where we can debate the various canon techs, not our RPG ships, peacefully and according to the forum rules without any connection to any RPG.
We all have strengths and we all have weakness. Lets just accept that and more on. We are all on the same side here, part of the Alliance so in the grand scheme of things it should not matter if ship A could defeat ship B, as it wouldn't happen in any case.
Agreed.
Now, if its alright with you, Majestic, I'm willing to continue this little debate concerning alernate canon's techs.