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The Shout Thread

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by CABAL, 23 May 2014.

  1. Terra_Inc

    Terra_Inc MSFC's Cheshire Cat Staff Member Forum Moderator

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    Wow, I like this idea! The Queen as an emergent AI. That would explain a number of things. First and foremost, as Beta_1701 said, it explains how she manages to reincarnate again and again. And it would definitely explain her comments about literally being the Borg.

    That's a very good question. As an example, we could consider the First Contact scenario, where she's active in the Alpha Quadrant's past, in a time when (as far as we know) there was barely any Borg presence in the quadrant, except the drones that had travelled to the past with her. And I think it's unlikely that the subspace signals of the neural interlink can reach the Delta Quadrant. (Plus, Future!Queen and Past!Queen would probably clash in that case.) So, in this case she would clearly not have access to the vast amount of drones available to her in the Delta Quadrant. Yet, she's not very different from her later appearance at the Unicomplex, where she is at the center of Borg activity. So either she needs very few drones to manifest herself, or there's more to her than it appears. However - speaking non-canonically - I would totally approve of portraying her like you're described above.

    Oh, and one more thing that bugs me. Can they please stop giving the Borg all sorts of effed-up vision? Seriously, I just started up an episode of Voyager and the first thing I see is wonky Borg vision. I know it's probably supposed to signify some sort of artificial, non-organic sight, but it sure doesn't look like that. If I give up my sense of individuality for awesome cybernetic implants, I want something that's at least on par with a 2017 webcam.
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    kjc733 Wibble Staff Member Forum Moderator Seraphim Build Team

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  3. CABAL

    CABAL << ■ II ▶ >> Staff Member Site Manager Star Navigator

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    Thanks!:)

    Something like brain damage seems likely. I imagine that 'death' would eventually occur with enough damage. If that's the case, though, I wonder if an increase in drones back to the proper level after said brain damage would restore the original Queen or if it would create a new Queen.

    Subspace communication is certainly an issue. I wonder, could the time-ship sphere have had an archive of backed-up Borg minds? I suppose that might be a way around it, sort of cloning the Queen and sending the clone back in time. Another (probably) crazy idea: what if the Borg are using quantum entanglement for communication rather than subspace? Quantum entanglement is unaffected by time-dilation, so, for instance, two entangled particles, one on Earth and another in deep space, will still react to stimuli simultaneously even though they're travelling through time at different rates. Perhaps entangled particles continue to affect each other when one has been displaced in time? If so, that could allow the drones on the time-ship to interact with the 24th century Collective as though they never left. We, uh, we don't have a way to test that, though. Not unless somebody has a DeLorean, a flux capacitor, and a proven entanglement-based communication system.
  4. Beta_1701

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    Ok so running with that idea, if we assume that 2 or 3 max drone transported aboard the enterprise, we've seen examples in voyager that onces the numbers drop this low although protocols exsist for them to follow them basically become invidivuals again. So they'd have to be connected still in someway to the large collective.

    Within the same time frame they use subspace as it's I'd argue more consistant (and maybe could be effected temporally) and then when they are planning on using time travel they then use quantum entanglement with each drone acting as there own quatum comunication beacon.

    (Maybe this is even a by product of time travel that the borg have worked out how to use somehow). If its also a relatively new thing, it would explain why they needed the interplexing beacon to talk to the borg in that era and why the ENT borg didn't become indiviuals. Or maybe the quatum comunication is fixed to the exit time frame...

    It would also explain how 7 of 9 knew about what happen during first contact, it's not like it would be public information in the federation due to the temporal prime directive, so they couldn't have assimulated it. And at that time the ENT drones where offline/not cannon, so there's no way the message they sent could have explained that.
  5. kjc733

    kjc733 Wibble Staff Member Forum Moderator Seraphim Build Team

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    New Star Trek series :lol2:

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    Hellkite Lord of Death Staff Member Administrator Seraphim Build Team Star Fighter

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    Yep I think we have our "new star trek "
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    Chiletrek Warriors from Fluidic Space Community Member

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    Hello:
    I admit it was funny, as a trailer, and that's a lot coming from me who dislikes that guy's tv shows.

    Hello:
    Did someone notice the ship is not a Trek ship? If you look at it it is way more resembling a High Guard ship from Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda".

    Could a moderator merge my messages if needed? :sweat:.
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    The ship design gives me a real galaxy quest design, I'm more excited for this than the new star trek series if I'm honest.

    If I'm honest I wouldn't mind seeing Bryan Fuller and Seth work together on a true star trek series they're both big trekkies at heart and would do a much better job. I'm so unhappy Bryan go basically kicked from discovery.
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    Chiletrek Warriors from Fluidic Space Community Member

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    Well, the setting itself was like Galaxy Quest. But even the bad guys came from another fan-made Star Trek production (from "Renegades").

    But the ship really looks like with bits of the Andromeda Ascendant and the Triumvir Heavy Cruiser.
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    dvatreknerd314 Community Member Community Member

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    I swear, it's like the spotlight foundry missions are chosen for spotlight status precisely because they're bad.
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    dvatreknerd314 Community Member Community Member

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    Have low blood pressure? Try making a foundry mission. It'll make your blood pressure skyrocket!
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    Did you have one of those, "I can do better!" moments?
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    dvatreknerd314 Community Member Community Member

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    I can do better as in I'm being limited by the foundry or I can make a better foundry?
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    CABAL << ■ II ▶ >> Staff Member Site Manager Star Navigator

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    "I can make a better mission than what they keep spotlighting." Followed by, "Wow, the foundry's worse than I thought."
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    CABAL << ■ II ▶ >> Staff Member Site Manager Star Navigator

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    If anyone plays Destiny, I just picked it up on 360.
  16. Chiletrek

    Chiletrek Warriors from Fluidic Space Community Member

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    Hello:
    Has anybody seen how amazing the MSFC's background image is? :love:
  17. dvatreknerd314

    dvatreknerd314 Community Member Community Member

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    ...you mean the one with the two planets that's been there for a very long time?

    EDIT: Wait, what are those nine circles?
  18. CABAL

    CABAL << ■ II ▶ >> Staff Member Site Manager Star Navigator

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    What circles? The ones on the planet on the left?
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    Yep!
  20. CABAL

    CABAL << ■ II ▶ >> Staff Member Site Manager Star Navigator

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    I'm guessing some sort of alien city. No evidence or anything, just reminds me of how Forerunner stuff looks from space.
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    SciFiFan We lurk in the shadows Staff Member Forum Moderator

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    I am saddened to report that my wife's grandmother passed away today. Therefore, I will be offline for a few days starting Wednesday. Please keep my wife and her family in your prayers through this time. See y'all on the other side.
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    Does anyone know if there were any images of the Grazerite president without the cowl over his antlers/horns/whatever they are?
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    That is sad, I hope things will start looking-up for all of you soon.
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    Borg_Queen Bringer of order to chaos Community Member

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    My condolences to you, your wife and your families.
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    CrazyFrog1903 Boba Frog! Staff Member Site Manager

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    My business is finally getting off of the ground. It has a windows 10 system, iMac, iPad pro, and various android devices. I finally have everything in place to produce apps for each system.

    The new tv show does look more interesting that what Star Trek is actually putting out. They are making it too politically correct. As though showing alien worlds actually working together and getting along was not diverse enough.

    SciFiFan, sorry to hear about your loss.
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    Just curious, but why do you say that?
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    CrazyFrog1903 Boba Frog! Staff Member Site Manager

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    They are changing characters around to shove different views down viewers throats. People are different. Their views are different. You don't have to glorify 2% of the population to make them feel equal to 50% of the population. If they want to create new characters that represent different views then that is perfectly fine but don't change old characters to fit a narrative. They also try to fit specific percentages when it comes to creating groups. They make it seem like it is impossible to have a group of the same race or gender come together by chance and still act in a way that is excepting to everyone. I am not saying to leave anyone out but you don't have to fill specific quotas when filling positions. The idea that the best people would be chosen to serve on a starship would not be based on what their race or gender is.
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    Which characters got changed around? I didn't notice any, but I may not have been paying close enough attention. And are you referring to having an oriental woman command an oriental-named ship or something else?

    EDIT: Just remembered they made Sulu gay. Somehow forgot about that.
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    George Takei didn't like that. It sounded like he wants the character of Sulu kept separate from him. He enjoyed being Sulu, he just doesn't want Sulu to be him.
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    I completely agree with that idea. I'd heard multiple people throughout the trek fandom suggest they make Sulu gay, and every time I saw that suggestion, I face planted into my keyboard and exited the tab.
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