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The Shout Thread

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by CABAL, 23 May 2014.

  1. Terra_Inc

    Terra_Inc MSFC's Cheshire Cat Staff Member Forum Moderator

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    Wow, I like this idea! The Queen as an emergent AI. That would explain a number of things. First and foremost, as Beta_1701 said, it explains how she manages to reincarnate again and again. And it would definitely explain her comments about literally being the Borg.

    That's a very good question. As an example, we could consider the First Contact scenario, where she's active in the Alpha Quadrant's past, in a time when (as far as we know) there was barely any Borg presence in the quadrant, except the drones that had travelled to the past with her. And I think it's unlikely that the subspace signals of the neural interlink can reach the Delta Quadrant. (Plus, Future!Queen and Past!Queen would probably clash in that case.) So, in this case she would clearly not have access to the vast amount of drones available to her in the Delta Quadrant. Yet, she's not very different from her later appearance at the Unicomplex, where she is at the center of Borg activity. So either she needs very few drones to manifest herself, or there's more to her than it appears. However - speaking non-canonically - I would totally approve of portraying her like you're described above.

    Oh, and one more thing that bugs me. Can they please stop giving the Borg all sorts of effed-up vision? Seriously, I just started up an episode of Voyager and the first thing I see is wonky Borg vision. I know it's probably supposed to signify some sort of artificial, non-organic sight, but it sure doesn't look like that. If I give up my sense of individuality for awesome cybernetic implants, I want something that's at least on par with a 2017 webcam.
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  2. kjc733

    kjc733 Wibble Staff Member Forum Moderator Seraphim build team

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  3. CABAL

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    Thanks!:)

    Something like brain damage seems likely. I imagine that 'death' would eventually occur with enough damage. If that's the case, though, I wonder if an increase in drones back to the proper level after said brain damage would restore the original Queen or if it would create a new Queen.

    Subspace communication is certainly an issue. I wonder, could the time-ship sphere have had an archive of backed-up Borg minds? I suppose that might be a way around it, sort of cloning the Queen and sending the clone back in time. Another (probably) crazy idea: what if the Borg are using quantum entanglement for communication rather than subspace? Quantum entanglement is unaffected by time-dilation, so, for instance, two entangled particles, one on Earth and another in deep space, will still react to stimuli simultaneously even though they're travelling through time at different rates. Perhaps entangled particles continue to affect each other when one has been displaced in time? If so, that could allow the drones on the time-ship to interact with the 24th century Collective as though they never left. We, uh, we don't have a way to test that, though. Not unless somebody has a DeLorean, a flux capacitor, and a proven entanglement-based communication system.
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    Ok so running with that idea, if we assume that 2 or 3 max drone transported aboard the enterprise, we've seen examples in voyager that onces the numbers drop this low although protocols exsist for them to follow them basically become invidivuals again. So they'd have to be connected still in someway to the large collective.

    Within the same time frame they use subspace as it's I'd argue more consistant (and maybe could be effected temporally) and then when they are planning on using time travel they then use quantum entanglement with each drone acting as there own quatum comunication beacon.

    (Maybe this is even a by product of time travel that the borg have worked out how to use somehow). If its also a relatively new thing, it would explain why they needed the interplexing beacon to talk to the borg in that era and why the ENT borg didn't become indiviuals. Or maybe the quatum comunication is fixed to the exit time frame...

    It would also explain how 7 of 9 knew about what happen during first contact, it's not like it would be public information in the federation due to the temporal prime directive, so they couldn't have assimulated it. And at that time the ENT drones where offline/not cannon, so there's no way the message they sent could have explained that.
  5. kjc733

    kjc733 Wibble Staff Member Forum Moderator Seraphim build team

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    New Star Trek series :lol2:

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    Hellkite Lord of Death Staff Member Administrator Seraphim build team

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    Yep I think we have our "new star trek "
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    Chiletrek Warriors from Fluidic Space Community Member

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    Hello:
    I admit it was funny, as a trailer, and that's a lot coming from me who dislikes that guy's tv shows.
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    Chiletrek Warriors from Fluidic Space Community Member

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    Hello:
    Did someone notice the ship is not a Trek ship? If you look at it it is way more resembling a High Guard ship from Gene Roddenberry's "Andromeda".

    Could a moderator merge my messages if needed? :sweat:.
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    The ship design gives me a real galaxy quest design, I'm more excited for this than the new star trek series if I'm honest.

    If I'm honest I wouldn't mind seeing Bryan Fuller and Seth work together on a true star trek series they're both big trekkies at heart and would do a much better job. I'm so unhappy Bryan go basically kicked from discovery.
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    Chiletrek Warriors from Fluidic Space Community Member

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    Well, the setting itself was like Galaxy Quest. But even the bad guys came from another fan-made Star Trek production (from "Renegades").

    But the ship really looks like with bits of the Andromeda Ascendant and the Triumvir Heavy Cruiser.

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