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Decided I wanted to start a thread about issues we think of after seeing an episode or episodes.

My topic for today: If Earth fought a war with the Romulans, how is it, assuming there was ship debris from said war, Humans never learned what Romulans look like?
 

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Hello:
I can totally think you are not the only one who has ever asked that question. So maybe, what if Romulan ships back then were all set to self-destruct to leave no trace, crew or technologies, behind?
 

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Hello:
I can totally think you are not the only one who has ever asked that question. So maybe, what if Romulan ships back then were all set to self-destruct to leave no trace, crew or technologies, behind?
I would still think DNA of some kind would still be around. It's shown on-screen that Romulan ships blow up in an explosion, not collapse due to their singularity cores.
 

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I would still think DNA of some kind would still be around. It's shown on-screen that Romulan ships blow up in an explosion, not collapse due to their singularity cores.
Agreed, but I thought because of how the Romulan Commander self-destructed his ship with no countdown on "Balance of Terror". Do we know when did Romulans start experimenting with that technology (singularities)? For all we know that could be a TLE-TNG achievement during their time of seclusion.
 

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Agreed, but I thought because of how the Romulan Commander self-destructed his ship with no countdown on "Balance of Terror". Do we know when did Romulans start experimenting with that technology (singularities)? For all we know that could be a TLE-TNG achievement during their time of seclusion.

Was it stated that absolutely nothing remained from that explosion?
 

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There's also another problem with the Romulan Wars, the use of Atomic weapons. Unless they were really strapped for weapons, I guess they did throw everything against each other.

The subspace radio communication with no visuals is also too conveniently placed for the "shy" Romulans lmao
 

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The atomic weaponry was probably retconned by Enterprise's use of phasers and torpedoes.

The problem with the Romulans not being seen prior to Balance of Terror, a fact that Enterprise seems to try to maintain, is the line where Spock says the ships from the time of the war were primitive in a way that didn't allow captives. It might make sense if the ships at the time lacked any means of docking with each other. This could be explained by use of long-range fighters, which use fewer crew, instead of starships. And these fighters may have been equipped with atomic weapons for use against installations rather than use against starships...

The other explanation I came up with could be a modification of Valdore's plan to use remote guidance on the Romulan ships used in the war. Rather than needing something like a telepathic operator, the plan may have been simplified to remote control of individual vessels, with most of the ships' systems being automated.

As far as the singularity usage time frame question, I don't think it was in operation by the time of Balance of Terror, as the Romulan ship had nuclear detonators on board to self-destruct. If they had a singularity core, which would likely have to be kept near the evaporation point to be useful, they could either have shut off any kind of matter stream and destroyed the ship that way, or shoved enough matter into it to overwhelm whatever containment method is used and swallow the ship.

What got me started on this topic was watching a horribly-played Let's Play of Star Trek Legacy, where the final mission of the Enterprise era has the Enterprise blowing up old Vulcan stations with nuclear cores to disable a large number of Romulan ships. I kinda liked the idea that those ships would supplement Earth Starfleet and the nascent Federation for a while, since I don't think Earth had that many ships at the time and their fleet size likely doubled as a result of that mission. And yes, I do know that entire storyline is non-canon, but it raised an interesting problem that hadn't been solved on-screen yet.
 

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I stumbled across a fanfic which tries to reconcile Enterprise with the TOS statements about the Romulan War (and other Enterpirse "irregularities").

http://www.rigilkent-online.com/

There are 8 or 9 books and they are worth a read (even if he did stop work on it just as things were reaching a climax). Warning - Trip-T'Pol content (he decided to disregard the Enterprise finale).

In short:
- The Romulans take steps to hide their identities because if they didn't it would hinder their efforts to infiltrate as Vulcans.
- They take this to the extreme, with boarding parties wearing combat suits that have acid canisters to destroy evidence.
- "Modern" ships and weapons such as the NX and photon torpedoes fall out of favour because they are resource intensive and time consuming to build and repair. It's easier (in his work) to maintain a Daedalus than an NX (which become fleet flagships) and older style lower yield torpedoes come back to the fore because you can fling more of them.

I actually quite like how it was done as you can see how things change as the war progresses.
 
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