Enterprise E Refit Joint Problem

[Lord_Trekie]

Ok, I am in the process of making a canon Enterprise E refit from Nemesis. I can't seem to keep the joints rotated once I rotate them, and the model is upside down when you are zoomed in, and then uprights it-self when you zoom out a bit. Can anyone tell me how to fix this or possibly fix it for me?

 

[Majestic]

I encountered the same problem. I found it had to do with rotating the joints so from then on I didn't rotate the joints. Its a bumber as I wanted to rotate joints so weapons would fire corrctly from them.

Perhaps Syf or Intrepid may know something as they are the most experienced with modelling here.

 

[Syf]

What 3D rendering program are you using? MS3D is the only thing I can help with.

 

[Lord_Trekie]

Yes I am using MS3D. I can send you all the files if you want.

EDIT: Versions 1.7.7a and 1.7.9 if that means anything.

 

[Syf]

As far as rotating joints:

You can rotate a "parent" joint, but not a "child" joint. So this means you can add a joint to the Harpoints "node" joint (Call it joint00 - or something like that) then add another joint to it (use the regular "h_hp" node sequencing). You can rotate the one in between the Hardpoint node and the hp node. This should allow for the direction to be changed for that hp. However, it is very tricky to get working right after exporting to SOD format. MS3D's exporter is not really supposed to be able to do that.

As far as the zooming...
Do you have the Mesa drivers installed to your MS3D.
If not... Install them.
If you do have them... Then remove them.

 

[Lord_Trekie]

ok, so I would have to do something like this to the hierarchy?

h_hardpoints

joint00​

h_hp01​

h_hp02​

...

or do you mean this...

h_hardpoints

joint00​

h_hp01​

joint01​

h_ho02​

...

Is the Mesa thing on the Milkshape site?

 

[Syf]

ok, so I would have to do something like this to the hierarchy?

h_hardpoints

joint00​

h_hp01​

h_hp02​

...

Is the Mesa thing on the Milkshape site?

That should be the way it would work. Again, it is tricky to get it to work correctly. you have to have the model the exact size it will appear ingame (odf code - ScaleSOD = 1.0). Any modification to the size of the exported model will result in error locations of the hardpoints. The HP could end up outside the model. Also note, I have not actually used this for HPs, but only for vents (personally speaking). But it should work on HPs as well.

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Yes, the Mesa drivers are on the MS3D's website download section. These are drivers that aid MS3D functioning with your video card. But the drivers are only for use with some video cards. I'm not sure which video cards need these. That why I also mentioned if they are installed and your getting rendering errors, then remove them.

 

[Lord_Trekie]

I am sorry to say that your idea was unsuccessful. I added the joint00 joint off of the h_hardpoints joint and then added two hardpoints attached to joint00, they appear to have rotation naturally based in where they come off of the joint but when I save at all they go back to facing foreward... I would appreciate it if you could give it a try as I am not 100% sure I did what you said correctly.

 

[Syf]

Send me the file.

You can use www.yousendit.com, it's pretty quick.

 

[Lord_Trekie]

ok this should be it

Edited for your protection... SYF

 

[Majestic]

ok this should be it

Yes that is the correct link.

Next time it is suggested that you PM it to Syf.

Also once Syf has it, I suggest that either Syf or yourself edit the post and remove the link.

 

[Lord_Trekie]

Yes that is the correct link.

Next time it is suggested that you PM it to Syf.

Also once Syf has it, I suggest that either Syf or yourself edit the post and remove the link.

Ok, I will do that next time, as well as edit the link out later.

 

[Syf]

Yeah, only share the link if it's intended to be a publicly accessed file.

I will need to see the MS3D file.

 

[Lord_Trekie]

Just wondering if you got anywhere yet Syf.