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Discovery Series

Discussion in 'Star Trek' started by CABAL, 24 Sep 2017.

  1. LordChicken

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    Hey I'm currently crushing on a redhead, so I can get behind Yeoman Sparkles' support here.

    Ok, so Lorca, Saru and Sparkles, those we can keep. Scrub everyone else in the crew, get a new ship, and decide what the heck story you are trying to tell. Then, I buy your Blu Ray CBS. Til then...no Tilly for me. Sorry. :p

    And is it sacrilege to say that I hated the last episode of Enterprise so much that I am glad that the Riker thing is there so I can pretend it is completely non-canon and just an inaccurate historical record badly programmed into the holodeck or "artistic liberty" from a historical record, kind of like how Call of Duty sees WW2? For me, Enterprise ends after they stop Admiral Marcus' evil twin ancestor.
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    Jetfreak Proudly Pinoy Community Member Seraphim Build Team

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    For what it's worth I did enjoy the mid-season finale of Disco. The pacing was real good and I did appreciate the marginal improvement of the ship scene lighting and setups. Felt more traditional in some shots, but its not saying much.

    I did find Lorca's reveal to be interesting...
    So basically the Spore network also taps to various parallel universes. Maybe that could explain why Disco looks so vastly different from the old school Trek.

    Oh, and the Tyler stuff was pretty unnerving, but I guess that was the point.
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    Majestic MSFC's Resident Klingon Staff Member Administrator

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    I agree with Jetfreak the episode was an improvement and looks like they're going to try and phase out the spore drive with any luck. :)
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    SciFiFan We lurk in the shadows Staff Member Forum Moderator

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    After the first half season for ST: DSC (sorry, I loathe STD :p), what I like the best is the opening music and what I like the least is the spore drive.

    I actually did really get into the last two or three episodes. I also caught on to what Jetfreak said in his spoiler tag. I am honestly kind of eager to see where it picks up in January.
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    Wow. I think they're actually doing this.
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    GOD WHY!?@?@???????????????S"D:LKFSD:FLSD< Sl'a;ldkg,z/VCv **INCOHERENT**
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    Probably to dig themselves out of their continuity hole.
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    **LordChicken has had a brain aneurysm, will respond shortly**
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    Which again brings me back to: So why call it Star Trek?
    If you didn't want to play by Trek rules, but knew (because ignorance is a valid, if distasteful excuse) that you weren't playing by those rules, then they could have made a far better series by departing completely from the structure they put themselves in.
    AU in something like Trek is, in my opinion, the resort of an unimaginative writer, so is time travel. Don't get me wrong, some of Treks best episodes include these themes, but they should be rare one-offs. You have the entire universe to play with. You have a whole bunch of species in later Trek you can do "First Contact" with if you are stuck for ideas. You can do the "my ship is crude and therefore breaks a lot" episodes. But if you have to resort to bringing in another universe for fresh ideas in the first series you really need to reconsider your job as a writer.

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    Disclaimer - I have only seen the first two episodes of DISCO.

    Side Note - I have seen eight episodes of The Orville and am loving it. It is nowhere near as slapstick as the adverts made out and they have covered some quite heavy topics at times. And if you are so inclined, you can probably make a drinking game from "Spot the Trek music rip off".
  11. CABAL

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    Apparently they had absolutely nobody who did any significant lore research until they were several episodes in. The war with the Klingons in DSC is supposed to be the mentioned recent war with the Klingons in TOS, but the dates don't line up, for instance. My guess is that the sudden introduction of alternate universes in the mid-season finale is the result of their new (formed after the seventh episode was created, mid-season finale is ninth) panel of experts telling them that DSC's already finished episodes don't quite fit in the timeline. So it really was ignorance and now they're trying to fix it. This also gives them a chance to redo some of the things that proved unpopular, such as the Klingon makeup.
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    Oh wow. If they actually go there I will probably crack my skull from the impact of the facepalming I will be doing. I agree with kjc, if you need to go universe hopping mid-series because of the same continuity issues that you created in the first place then that means you need to replace the entire writing staff immediately.

    I started calling Discovery STD because: 1) It made me chuckle, and 2) That's what the series feels like and has pretty much the same effect on me.

    I watch the Orville and it's alright. I watch it more because there is literally nothing else at the time but I am not invested in the characters at all. The jokes are mostly terrible and it bothers me that it is trying to clone all of the TNG timeline series instead of doing its own thing. For what it is though, I find it enjoyable.

    I just wish we could go back to the heyday of good sci-fi series like there was in the mid-90s to early 00s. I miss the days of Babylon 5, Space Above and Beyond, Farscape and, to a lesser extent, Battlestar Galactica.
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    I've only seen the first episode of Discovery, but I have some comments and inconsistencies from what I've seen. I didn't come up with these all myself, but I agree with all of them.

    1. How do the Klingons have cloaking technology? I thought only the Romulans did in the original series.

    2. In TOS, Spock states that a cloaking device would be theoretically possible, implying they never saw it before. This is already an inconsistency though because ENT had lots of cloaked ships such as the Suliban. Still though, if cloaks were used 10 years before Kirk and Spock, why wouldn't they have known about it?

    3. Why did all the Klingons loose their hair and grow their ridges back? ENT explains how the Augment virus wiped out the forehead ridges, but now in Discovery they have them again, only to lose them 10 years later in Kirks time.

    4. I've only seen YouTube videos, so I don't know the specifics about the spore drive, but I heard it travels about the same rate as voyager going through the Borg transwarp drive. If the spore drive was around before Kirk, couldn't it be common place on starships like voyager. With the spore drive, voyager could make it home in 4 weeks.

    5. In the first episode of discovery, why did they have to send Lt. Cmdr. Michael in the space suit alone. Why couldn't they send a probe? Or a shuttlecraft? It just seems really risky to send one officer by herself into a hostile situation.

    If anyone has any ideas comment about it, and these are just my opinions. I'm interested to hear what other people think about it.
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    1 & 2 - Continuity error. ENT's cloaks can be explained away as being a result of contamination from the Temporal Cold War, though that requires that ENT be set in its own timeline, separate from the other shows. To be honest, that would actually explain a lot of ENT. The cloak is a new thing in DSC, though, so they're ignoring (or don't know about) ENT's cloaks. Ditto with not being familiar with The Balance of Terror.

    3 - I don't think the production team knows about the Augment Virus. This is a total retcon of Klingon appearance.

    4 - There are certain issues with the spore drive in the following episodes. These issues could have prevented general adoption, but we don't know yet.

    5 - The beacon had some sort of jamming device. They probably would have lost control of anything that got close enough.
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    Those were good ideas. For the 5th point, I only got to see the pilot once when it was on TV, so I couldn't remember it very well. I don't like how you have to pay for the streaming service. One of the things I like about Star Trek is how it's everywhere. It's on Netflix, Amazon Prime, etc..., so I feel like CBS is trying to commercialize it again which sucks.
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